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Re: Desalinated water

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
Subject Re: Desalinated water
Date 2025-09-23 05:27 +0000
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On Mon, 22 Sep 2025 16:01:36 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	You are totally correct however the Northern California area bases
> all of its water systems on the expectation of adequate snowfall in the
> Sierra Nevada.  Southern California borrows from Northern California and
> the Colorado River which don't run near California.

I think 'borrow' implies you're going to give it back. Not happening. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuma_Desalting_Plant

I've never been in Yuma when the plant was running. The last time I was 
down that way the tide was out at Lake Merde. I admired the Art Deco 
spillways at Hoover Dam that haven't seen water since the Reagan 
Administration. Las Vegas was building a third intake. That's another city 
that shouldn't exist.

Long before that there was the Alamo Canal that allowed crops in the 
Imperial Valley and also created the scenic Salton Sea, another ongoing 
headache for California.

Then there is the CAP, which among other things allows growing cotton in 
the Arizona desert.

The climate may be changing, as it always has done, but some of the 
disasters in waiting are entirely the result of short sighted human 
terraforming projects.


> 	We in San Francisco benefit from the foresight of the early
> 20th Century outraged naturalists put aside and got the O'Shawnessy Dam
> built to use the Valley of the Hetch-Hetch for a resevoir, then the
> water crosses the Central Valley and the Coastal Range to deliver water
> to the Peninsula and most particularly to San Francisco.

https://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5720/

I've stood on Muir Rock in Kings Canyon. Luckily it isn't underwater.  



> 	Other systems are built on the flood control dams like Shasta
> and Folsom as well as many others.  Some of the systems were set up for
> Farming by the Federal Government and when Trump said that he released
> water for Los Angeles that farmers water was what he was talking about
> and due to the separation of systems none of that water went to LA but
> dumped water into the farming system which at that time of year was
> absolutely a waste.

How is Shasta doing? I drove by there frequently in the '90s when they 
were building boardwalks from the former boat launch sites out to the 
water.

> 	Also when the Dams were constructed most were built without
> considerations for the salmon runs.  That has destroyed the salmon runs
> on the main rivers.  We are lucky in that wild rivers remained but that
> is why the price of salmon is so darned high.

At least Mulholland didn't design them.  He wasn't involved but hopefully 
the Castaic and Pyramid Dams continue to hold water.

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                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-23 11:50 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 11:30 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:22 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:26 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-24 08:51 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 09:24 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:40 +0000
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:34 +0100
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-24 09:05 +1000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:27 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 18:19 -0700
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-23 21:40 -0400
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:26 -0700
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 09:37 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:15 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:25 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 19:27 +0000
                Topic drift and culture wars (was Re: Floppies) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-25 05:54 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-28 14:06 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:14 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:24 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 03:54 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:18 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 18:38 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 16:19 +0200
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 07:58 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:33 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:01 +0200
                Re: Floppies Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-09-22 12:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 09:01 -0700
                Anarchy Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-22 06:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 08:48 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 17:28 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:21 +0000
                Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:49 +0200
                Re: Ousting a king The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:02 +0100
                Re: Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 20:19 +0200
                Re: Ousting a king The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:14 +0100
                Re: Ousting a king rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 17:52 +0000
                Re: Ousting a king Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:03 +0000
                Re: Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-28 14:24 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 12:48 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:53 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 19:59 +0200
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-22 00:19 -0600
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 09:28 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: Floppies Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-23 08:44 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:40 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2025-09-22 11:35 +0100
                Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:58 +0200
                Re: Multiple residences rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 18:58 +0000
                Re: Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:43 +0200
                Re: Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 22:09 +0200
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 21:55 +1000
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-22 18:09 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 19:18 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-22 22:02 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 02:45 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:09 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:42 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:36 +0100
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 15:24 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:23 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 09:51 -0700
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-28 14:29 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-28 14:25 +0200
                Re: Floppies Silvano <Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> - 2025-09-28 14:45 +0200
                Re: Floppies Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-29 02:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-28 18:15 -0700
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-28 23:17 -0400
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 10:15 +0100
                Meta: Off-topic cross-posts (was: Re: Floppies) Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 11:05 +0100
                Re: Meta: Off-topic cross-posts The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 11:38 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:27 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 15:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 14:31 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 15:44 +0100
                climate change, was Re: Floppies Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2025-09-29 12:54 -0400
                Re: climate change, was Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:14 +0200
                Re: climate change, was Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 19:00 +0100
                Re: climate change, was Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 18:59 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:36 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:28 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:11 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 10:07 +1000
                Re: Floppies vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-22 00:29 +0000
                Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:14 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:08 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 19:46 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 16:01 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 05:27 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 23:35 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 19:22 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 13:16 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 04:31 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 21:38 -0700
                Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-28 14:38 +0200
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-28 18:44 +0000
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 15:00 +0200
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-29 07:37 -0700
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-29 18:03 +0000
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-28 13:45 -0700
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-29 02:08 +0000
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-28 21:47 -0700
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-29 07:06 +0000
                Re: Lorries [Was: Desalinated water] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-29 15:01 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-23 11:25 +1000
                Re: Desalinated water The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:17 +0100
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 10:02 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:50 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:43 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:11 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:24 +0000
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 20:07 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:25 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 19:35 -0700
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-22 21:25 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:29 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 05:12 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 02:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:39 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:08 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:24 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:42 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:25 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:03 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:22 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:44 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:18 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 04:57 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:48 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:38 -0700
          Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-19 12:05 +0200
            Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 07:58 -0700
      Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:37 +0000
    Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:10 +0200
      Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:55 +0000
  Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:55 +0100
    Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 23:21 -0400
    Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:55 +0000
      Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:32 +0100
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:27 +0000
          Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 09:07 +1000
            Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
            Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 00:20 -0400
              Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 14:57 +1000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-19 11:41 -0600
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 18:55 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-20 14:44 +1000
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 08:09 -0700
              Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:43 +0100
            Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:17 +0000
    Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:22 +0200
      Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 12:40 +0100
      Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 08:56 -0700
        Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 18:30 +0000
          Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:22 -0700
      Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:50 +0000
        Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
          Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:51 +0000
          Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:01 +0100
            Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:32 +0000
              Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 15:34 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:15 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:10 +0100
  Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:27 +0000
    Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-18 00:06 -0400
      Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:58 +0000

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