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Re: Jules Verne and SciFi

From "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, rec.arts.sf.written
Subject Re: Jules Verne and SciFi
Date 2025-09-25 14:29 +0200
Message-ID <06pfqlxdp.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> (permalink)
References (23 earlier) <kbcbqlx4mu.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <10av7su$3a5lo$1@dont-email.me> <mjh2rtFhb3sU1@mid.individual.net> <li2eqlxaqn.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> <energy-20250925121111@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>

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On 2025-09-25 13:14, Stefan Ram wrote:
> "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>> On 2025-09-24 04:20, rbowman wrote:
> . . .
>>> written in 1886, 'Five Weeks in a Balloon' from 1863 was one of Verne's
> . . .
>> the globe. Ok... but that is against the principle that energy can not
>> be created nor destroyed, only transformed. He can get the same effect
> 
>    Yeah, Helmholtz's 1847 paper is usually pointed to as the
>    turning point when people in science circles really started
>    to accept the principle, and by 1850 you already see the
>    phrase "the law of the conservation of energy" being used.
> 
>    His essay on energy conservation, which was his first big
>    contribution, came out of his background in medicine and philosophy.
> 
>    He got into the topic while studying how muscles burn energy.
>    What he was trying to show is that no energy disappears during
>    muscle movement, and the idea behind that was that you do
>    not need some special "vital force" to make muscles work.
> 
>    That was a pushback against Naturphilosophie and vitalism,
>    which at the time were pretty mainstream in German physiology.
> 
>    He was countering the vitalist claim that "living force" could
>    keep a machine running forever.
> 
>    Verne was born in 1828, so he would have been in his mid-twenties
>    when energy conservation was starting to get traction. His
>    take on the world might have still been shaped more by what he
>    picked up earlier. And really, how many people today keep up
>    with major shifts in physics after they finish school, like
>    even having a clue about what Bell's Inequalities are?

Ok, we'll excuse him :-)

> 
> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,rec.arts.sf.written
> 
> 


-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
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