Re: Floppies

From	Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.usage.english, alt.english.usage
Subject	Re: Floppies
Date	2025-09-22 21:28 +1200
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
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On 22/09/2025 12:07 p.m., vallor wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Sep 2025 14:07:57 -0700, Bobbie Sellers
> <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> wrote in <10appff$1vm6v$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> 	Make all the fun you want of Californians but the state is the 4th
>> 	largest
>>    economy in the world.
> 
>   ...and I looked it up:  the UK is the 6th largest.
> 
> I remember a talk given by Newt Gingrich where he concluded that the U.S.
> would do better with the Silicon Valley model, rather than the
> Detroit model, of economic development.  Make of that what you will.
> 
> I live in the North SF Bay, in Sonoma County.  I've lived in SF;
> in Alameda; and in Neah Bay, Washington.  (And a few months at
> boot camp in Cape May, NJ; as well as RM "A" school at Petaluma,
> CA.)  Sonoma County suits me best.  YMMV.
> 
> Just went to my 40th HS reunion, and the topic of where we'd all
> ended up at one time or another came up:  some folks had moved
> away, and came back.  Others were happy to visit from wherever they
> flew in from.  A friend of mine lives in Vancouver, and is trying
> to get a visa for his SO so they can move to the South Bay.  My wife
> grew up in Santa Clara, but said she liked it better up here.
> 
> Standard of living is very high, so housing costs more:  Sonoma County,
> not as much as Sillycone Valley, but it's up there.  But the people
> and the weather are fabulous.  No tornadoes to worry about, no hurricanes.
> Earthquakes, sure, but we've been building for that now.  We're due for
> a Big One someday, and that's a risk, so keep a go-bag.
> 
> Then there's the fires.  We had to evacuate for the Tubbs fire, which
> came all the way from Calistoga and took out part of Santa Rosa.  We
> were blessed to have a modest class-C RV to load our animals
> into -- it was our "lifeboat".  Went across town to the office
> and plugged in there.
> 
> Kept pinging our home router to make sure the house was still there,
> and had not burned.  A lot happened that night, and we almost
> lost that whole hillside.  We were lucky.  Others weren't so lucky,
> and some friends lost their homes.  We gave them support and donations
> to rebuild.
> 
> A lot of our employees were evacuees, and we arranged for them to
> stay at the office.  My wife and I helped keep people fed, with
> feeds such as pizza parties.
> 
>> Housing has been neglected since Reagan ran the
>>    nation and provided tax cuts for those who do not need them, at the
>> same time
>>    he cut child care and stalled benefits to Seniors to make his budget
>> balance.
>>    Oh but he was a good narrator on Death Valley Days.
>>
>> 	Actually Californians, North and South, are questing for sanity in
> a
>> 	mad
>> world.
> 
> I think anywhere you go in the U.S., you'll find jerks -- and you'll find
> people who have set down roots, are friendly, and help their neighbors.
> For me, it's the right way to live.  YMMV.
> 
> ObLinux:
> 
> Friday night, I updated my Linux Mint, which did something to my display
> drivers.  Had to reboot to recovery mode to fix graphics.  Details
> in alt.os.linux.mint.
> 
> ObEnglish:
> 
> Use of "they" as a genderless singular:
> 
>   First attested: ~1370s (Chaucer).
>   Common literary usage: 14th–19th centuries.
>   Suppressed by grammar rules: 18th–20th centuries.
>   Re-accepted and standardized: Late 20th–21st centuries.
> 
> Note that the suppression was due to Latin-educated teachers...the
> same folks who say one can't split an infinitive.  (In Latin, you can't,
> but that's not how folks use English.)

Works fine for indefinites, but used for a definite individual it can 
create problems. We recently had a "non-binary" Member of Parliament who 
preferred to be referred to as "they". This individual resigned (for 
reasons having nothing to do with pronouns). Reading a news account of 
this resignation and its possible effect on the party to which this 
individual belonged, I was genuinely confused as to whether a given 
instance of "they" referred to the individual or the party.

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                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-24 15:06 -0600
                Re: Floppies vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-25 06:03 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-24 15:02 -0600
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                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 07:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-23 16:46 -0600
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                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-25 23:10 -0600
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                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-26 14:58 -0600
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 07:08 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:30 +0100
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                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 00:06 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:54 +0100
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                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 19:38 +0000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-25 23:16 -0600
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:57 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:31 +0000
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                Re: Floppies charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> - 2025-09-24 21:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-24 23:50 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:13 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 19:07 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-25 10:06 +1000
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                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-25 23:25 -0600
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                Re: Dream university The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:38 +0100
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                Re: Relocating Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:13 +0100
                Re: Relocating "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:37 +0200
                Re: Relocating rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 17:50 +0000
                Re: Relocating "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:18 +0200
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:45 +0100
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                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:15 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:21 +0000
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                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 10:48 +0100
                Re: Floppies Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-09-21 23:09 -0600
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                Re: Floppies Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-09-22 10:19 -0600
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-23 11:00 +1000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:05 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:09 +0100
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-22 00:08 -0600
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:54 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:45 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-21 00:39 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 05:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 23:19 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:52 +0100
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-21 17:54 +1000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 10:17 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 09:44 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 11:27 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 10:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 11:53 +0200
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-21 20:26 +1000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 08:50 -0700
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 19:28 +0200
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 11:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 12:43 +0100
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-21 13:41 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:32 +0200
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-22 22:00 -0400
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-23 09:26 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 08:45 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-23 11:50 +0200
                Re: Floppies Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2025-09-23 11:30 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:22 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 14:20 -0700
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:26 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-24 08:51 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 09:24 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:40 +0000
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 23:34 +0100
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-24 09:05 +1000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:27 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 18:19 -0700
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-23 21:40 -0400
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 11:33 +0100
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-24 08:26 -0700
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 09:37 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 00:15 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:25 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 19:27 +0000
                Topic drift and culture wars (was Re: Floppies) Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-25 05:54 +0200
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 03:54 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:18 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 18:38 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 16:19 +0200
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 19:59 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:01 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 07:58 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:35 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:33 +0200
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:01 +0200
                Re: Floppies Chris Elvidge <chris@internal.net> - 2025-09-22 12:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 09:01 -0700
                Anarchy Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-22 06:30 +0200
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 08:48 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 17:28 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:21 +0000
                Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:49 +0200
                Re: Ousting a king The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:02 +0100
                Re: Ousting a king "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 20:19 +0200
                Re: Ousting a king The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:14 +0100
                Re: Ousting a king rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 17:52 +0000
                Re: Ousting a king Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-09-27 15:03 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 12:48 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 18:53 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-21 19:59 +0200
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-22 00:19 -0600
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 09:28 -0700
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-22 17:22 +0000
                Re: Floppies Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> - 2025-09-23 08:44 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:12 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:40 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Janet <nobody@home.com> - 2025-09-22 11:35 +0100
                Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 12:58 +0200
                Re: Multiple residences rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 18:58 +0000
                Re: Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:43 +0200
                Re: Multiple residences "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 22:09 +0200
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 21:55 +1000
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-22 18:09 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 19:18 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-22 22:02 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 02:45 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:09 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:20 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:42 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:36 +0100
                Re: Floppies Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 15:24 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:23 +0100
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 09:51 -0700
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:36 +0100
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-23 21:28 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:11 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 10:31 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 19:06 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-22 10:07 +1000
                Re: Floppies vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> - 2025-09-22 00:29 +0000
                Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:14 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:08 +0200
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 19:46 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 16:01 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 05:27 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-22 23:35 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 19:22 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 13:16 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 04:31 +0000
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 21:38 -0700
                Re: Desalinated water Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-23 11:25 +1000
                Re: Desalinated water The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:17 +0100
                Re: Desalinated water Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 10:02 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:50 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:43 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:11 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:24 +0000
                Re: Floppies Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2025-09-21 20:07 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-22 02:25 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 19:35 -0700
                Re: Floppies Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2025-09-22 21:25 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:29 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 08:46 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 05:12 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:00 +0000
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 20:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 02:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:39 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:08 +0000
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:24 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:42 +0000
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:25 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:03 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-22 21:49 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:22 +0100
                Re: Floppies "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:44 +0200
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:32 +0100
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-20 00:18 -0400
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-20 04:57 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 07:48 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:38 -0700
            Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-19 12:05 +0200
              Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-19 07:58 -0700
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:37 +0000
      Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:10 +0200
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:55 +0000
    Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:55 +0100
      Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-17 23:21 -0400
      Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:55 +0000
        Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:32 +0100
          Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:27 +0000
            Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 09:07 +1000
              Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
              Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 00:20 -0400
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-19 14:57 +1000
                Re: Floppies lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> - 2025-09-19 11:41 -0600
                Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-19 18:55 -0400
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:36 +0000
                Re: Floppies Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> - 2025-09-20 14:44 +1000
                Re: Floppies John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2025-09-22 08:09 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 19:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:43 +0100
              Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 05:17 +0000
      Re: Floppies Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> - 2025-09-18 13:22 +0200
        Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 12:40 +0100
        Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 08:56 -0700
          Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 18:30 +0000
            Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 14:22 -0700
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:50 +0000
          Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
            Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:51 +0000
            Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 10:01 +0100
              Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:32 +0000
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-20 03:55 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-20 15:34 -0700
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 02:29 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:15 +0100
                Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-21 18:59 +0000
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:16 +0100
                Re: Floppies Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-21 20:30 +0000
                Re: Floppies Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-21 13:54 -0700
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 13:37 +0100
                Re: Floppies The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-21 09:10 +0100
    Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 03:27 +0000
      Re: Floppies c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-18 00:06 -0400
        Re: Floppies rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 20:58 +0000

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