Re: What do they teach in school today?

From	BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
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Subject	Re: What do they teach in school today?
Date	2015-09-12 08:06 -0500
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On 9/12/2015 4:58 AM, James Harris wrote:
> "BGB" <cr88192@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:mstp0e$laj$1@news.albasani.net...
>> On 9/5/2015 2:49 PM, James Harris wrote:
>>>
>>> "BGB" <cr88192@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:mri049$gaf$1@news.albasani.net...
>
> ...
>
>>>> in business computing though, if anything goes wrong (almost
>>>> invariable with programming), someone needs to take the fall, often
>>>> through legal action (lawsuits against former employees for lurking
>>>> bugs, ...).
>>>>
>>>> don't want to deal with this, as it doesn't take much to realize that
>>>> pretty much any code has bugs hidden in it somewhere...
>>>
>>> IME with business computing a company wouldn't just leave a programmer
>>> to get on with coding. When I worked for a bank we had a design-and-test
>>> review after a programmer had designed the program (to review the design
>>> and the test plan) and two other separate processes to test the new
>>> program before it went into production. So programmers were not left to
>>> take responsibility for everything themselves. The team became jointly
>>> responsible for what was written.
>>>
>>
>> ok.
>>
>> the tendency of places to put methodology before coding had been a bit
>> worrying, as my main skill has mostly been throwing stuff together and
>> "making it work".
>
> I mentioned code-and-test reviews because you were concerned about being
> blamed if something went wrong. Such reviews are a way to pick up
> problems early.
>
> That said, I didn't mean that all companies worked that way. You might
> find the approach of a given company more to your liking, and yours to
> them. Whatever they do they will probably have a way of testing what
> programmers produce before they release it into the wild.
>

I was just going on what I had heard before.

there was a medical-technology / pharmaceutical company that was 
apparently pretty bad about this (and they started going under, and were 
filing lawsuits against prior employees, ...). they were then bought out 
by another company.

>> I had generally been more interested in games-development, signal
>> processing, and compiler technology.
>
> ...
>
>> personally, I would much rather be building robots and similar, but I
>> need a job doing something at least.
>
> You might find that you could do both what an employer wanted and also
> your own stuff in your own time.
>

or, just do industrial maintenance... still pays $60k to $90k/yr.

though, granted, there is a lot more 'safety' involved with this, as 
industrial equipment and 440V 3Ph can potentially result in serious injury.

> Years ago I remember a friend (who was not into computing) being amazed
> that I could write software all day for work and then come home and
> write more in the evening. What he didn't realise was that the two types
> of programming were completely different. During the day I was writing
> business software for a bank's mainframes. At night I was writing things
> like games and utilities on a micro.
>
> I only mention the above to say that if you want a job you might find
> one you enjoy even if, from the description, it doesn't look like the
> kind of thing you want to do. And yet you can also do the kinds of
> things you prefer in your own time at home.
>

I can do coding a fair bit.

but, with some newer hobbies, not as much as before (since things like 
soldering and physically making things takes a bit of time).

I suspect most of why I always did programming before, was because it 
was a hobby I could do for free, unlike electronics where one is 
basically blowing lots of money on electronic components and similar 
(like, needing lots of different transistors for different operating 
ranges, motors are kind of expensive, ...).

though, making things IRL, you can make something that is "actually 
there". though code also has its merits, but I have reached a point of 
"no one cares", which does pose a limit.

like, I can work on stuff, but I can't really talk to anyone about it as 
no one gives a crap, so it is similarly pointless.

recently went and got some much smaller batteries (some RC battery 
packs), mostly because wanting to build a small robot which would be too 
small to use lead-acid batteries.

I was originally going to use NiMH AAs, but the RC packs in question 
weren't too terribly expensive ($12), and have much higher current 
ratings (AAs would have been in "barely sufficient" territory).

was going to use 3D printed plastic, but for now am making a prototype 
chassis mostly out of hot glue and cardboard.

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What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 18:17 -0400
  Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-20 23:56 +0100
    Re: What do they teach in school today? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 16:10 -0700
  Re: What do they teach in school today? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-08-20 23:55 +0000
    Re: What do they teach in school today? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2015-08-24 04:28 -0700
  Re: What do they teach in school today? Leo <chris.w.l.macleod@sympatico.ca> - 2015-08-20 21:21 -0400
  Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-23 09:33 -0500
    Re: What do they teach in school today? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 09:47 -0700
      Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-23 14:45 -0500
    Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 23:27 -0400
      Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-24 09:48 -0500
        Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 00:49 -0400
          Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:58 -0500
            Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 19:30 -0400
            Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 20:49 +0100
              Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 00:26 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 10:58 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 08:06 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 15:20 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-13 00:53 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 12:19 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 00:32 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:17 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:29 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 13:11 -0400
          Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 20:55 +0100
            Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 20:20 -0400
              Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 00:44 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 08:29 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-11 17:05 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Mark Carroll <mtbc@bcs.org> - 2015-09-11 17:07 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-11 17:27 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:51 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:55 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:54 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 17:52 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-12 00:23 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 22:45 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:56 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 11:04 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 08:10 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 15:24 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-12 15:36 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 23:24 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 13:08 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-16 18:54 +0000
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 00:15 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 21:08 -0700
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:49 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 19:56 -0500
  Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 21:21 +0100
    Re: What do they teach in school today? Mark Carroll <mtbc@bcs.org> - 2015-09-05 22:54 +0100
      Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 23:17 +0100
        Re: What do they teach in school today? Mark Carroll <mtbc@bcs.org> - 2015-09-06 09:59 +0100
          Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 11:11 +0100
    Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 19:59 -0400
    Re: What do they teach in school today? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:59 -0500

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