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Re: What do they teach in school today?

From BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com>
Newsgroups comp.programming
Subject Re: What do they teach in school today?
Date 2015-08-23 14:45 -0500
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On 8/23/2015 11:47 AM, fir wrote:
> W dniu niedziela, 23 sierpnia 2015 16:38:42 UTC+2 użytkownik BGB napisał:
>> On 8/20/2015 5:17 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> I was talking to a recent computer science graduate today.  He had never
>>> seen C, never seen Fortran, had no notion of a shell script or batch
>>> file, had never heard of ActiveX or .net or gcc.
>>>
>>> So what does somebody spend four years doing in a modern university
>>> computer science program?
>>>
>>
>>
>> when I went for a CS major, it was mostly things like C# and SQL.
>> one class did C++, but the teacher seemed to not really know so well how
>> the language worked (he never used delete, seemed to think setting
>> object pointers to NULL deleted the referenced objects, ...).
>>
>> the rest was mostly "general ed" classes, like English/Literature and
>> Calculus and so on...
>>
>>
>> never did get a degree, running into the problem that I actually suck
>> too much at math to really make it through a CS program (issue I suspect
>> is I am too much of a concrete thinker, and get lost in math that goes
>> beyond what I can easily visualize). we were also in the process of a
>> move (parents had already moved, and I would move to the new location as
>> soon as classes ended), so there was no chance to retake the class, and
>> most of the credits wouldn't transfer to another college anyways.
>>
>> but, yeah, does render it pointless having been one class away from a
>> degree, more years of ones' life rendered completely pointless, since no
>> degree = no job.
>>
>> and parents wanting to move every few years and send me to colleges for
>> not long enough to actually get a degree in anything didn't help matters.
>>
>> and, as far as everyone is concerned, no degree, no job, no money, no
>> house, ... = useless.
>>
>>
>> now taking a simpler tech-school program in industrial maintenance.
>> there is at least a lower change of this getting screwed up.
>>
>> one gets to realize that industrial people mostly use PLCs and similar,
>> which are mostly controlled with pointy-clicky graphical interfaces
>> (Ladder Logic and LabVIEW). have got to mess around with a lot of stuff
>> (440VAC and hydraulics and pneumatics and similar) and drive around a
>> forklift, so it is something...
>>
>>
>> apparently in this area, messing around with C and microcontrollers is
>> essentially black-magic in this sense... (one can code up stuff on a
>> microcontroller, and use some transistors and similar, and spin up an
>> improvised 3 phase motor, without needing to spend $500 on a VFD or
>> similar...).
>>
>> nevermind if spinning up a 208V or 440V motor would require buying some
>> comparably expensive IGBT or SiC MOSFET (silicon carbide) transistors.
>>
>>
>> and, will I ever get a job or have a life or actually be worth anything
>> as a person? who knows...
>
> youre actually pretty good afaik,
>

did just go and put up a video showing me driving an improvised 3-phase 
motor (made from a converted split-phase HVAC blower motor), running off 
16v using underpowered transistors and an MSP430G2232 (a microcontroller 
with an epic 2kB of ROM and 256 bytes of RAM, of which I am currently 
using 60% of the ROM space and a little under 1/2 the RAM).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmwZb7KAvc


probably not all that useful though, but I suspect this motor could 
probably be a fair bit more impressive with better driver electronics 
(higher voltage and current and a higher drive frequency, was driving it 
at around 20-24Hz or so...).

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What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 18:17 -0400
  Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-08-20 23:56 +0100
    Re: What do they teach in school today? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-20 16:10 -0700
  Re: What do they teach in school today? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-08-20 23:55 +0000
    Re: What do they teach in school today? Julio Di Egidio <julio@diegidio.name> - 2015-08-24 04:28 -0700
  Re: What do they teach in school today? Leo <chris.w.l.macleod@sympatico.ca> - 2015-08-20 21:21 -0400
  Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-23 09:33 -0500
    Re: What do they teach in school today? fir <profesor.fir@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 09:47 -0700
      Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-23 14:45 -0500
    Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-23 23:27 -0400
      Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-24 09:48 -0500
        Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-25 00:49 -0400
          Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-25 09:58 -0500
            Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 19:30 -0400
            Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 20:49 +0100
              Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 00:26 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 10:58 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 08:06 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 15:20 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-13 00:53 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-13 12:19 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 00:32 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-14 07:17 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-14 09:29 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 13:11 -0400
          Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 20:55 +0100
            Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 20:20 -0400
              Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 00:44 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 08:29 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-11 17:05 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Mark Carroll <mtbc@bcs.org> - 2015-09-11 17:07 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-11 17:27 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:51 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:55 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:54 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 17:52 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Ben Bacarisse <ben.usenet@bsb.me.uk> - 2015-09-12 00:23 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-11 22:45 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:56 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 11:04 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 08:10 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 15:24 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Richard Heathfield <rjh@cpax.org.uk> - 2015-09-12 15:36 +0100
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 23:24 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-16 13:08 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Kaz Kylheku <kaz@kylheku.com> - 2015-09-16 18:54 +0000
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Robert Wessel <robertwessel2@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-17 00:15 -0500
                Re: What do they teach in school today? Chad <cdalten@gmail.com> - 2015-09-25 21:08 -0700
                Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-12 12:49 -0400
                Re: What do they teach in school today? BGB <cr88192@hotmail.com> - 2015-09-12 19:56 -0500
  Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 21:21 +0100
    Re: What do they teach in school today? Mark Carroll <mtbc@bcs.org> - 2015-09-05 22:54 +0100
      Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-05 23:17 +0100
        Re: What do they teach in school today? Mark Carroll <mtbc@bcs.org> - 2015-09-06 09:59 +0100
          Re: What do they teach in school today? "James Harris" <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-09-06 11:11 +0100
    Re: What do they teach in school today? "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-09-07 19:59 -0400
    Re: What do they teach in school today? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-09-11 14:59 -0500

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