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Re: Ancient History

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From John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
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Subject Re: Ancient History
Date Mon, 31 Aug 2026 11:12:43 -0700
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On Sat, 29 Aug 2026 09:57:49 +0100
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:

> HTML was never designed for an interactive experience.
> 
> E.g. Reloading a whole page explicitly after making a single change
> to an option is massively slow and clunky. Using AJAX is seamless and 
> invisible.

...which would be why well-designed HTML forms group related options
together onto a single page, so you can make multiple changes at once.

> Example. I have a web page where configurations are updated. You
> select the values and...
> 
> ...that's it. There is no update or submit button at all. If you 
> selected it, it's updated.

They aren't mutually exclusive; people have been doing AJAX forms with
basic-HTML fallback for *years.* That way they can offer the prettied-
up one-touch experience and still function for users whose browser
can't run scripts (or is configured not to.)

> And that is the point. Properly used JavaScript or equivalent is a
> huge improvement.
> The problem is its misuse to obfuscate or to insert content you did
> not request or want

Sure* - but bad actors are so omnipresent on the Internet that some of
us prefer to disable it altogether unless absolutely necessary. Hence
the existence of JS whitelist plugins.

* (Also, in addition to the actively malevolent, there's the merely
  incompetent - sites with scripting so bloated and poorly optimized
  that even a harmless page can bring the browser to its knees.)

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Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
  Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 03:15 -0400
    Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 08:19 -0700
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 19:57 +0100
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:25 -0400
          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:33 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:20 +0000
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:27 +0100
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:13 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:24 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:03 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:47 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 09:28 -0700
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 18:53 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:11 +0100
                [OT] Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:20 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:58 +0000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 05:41 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:00 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:00 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:55 +0000
                Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-30 09:02 +1000
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:28 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 09:15 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:41 -0400
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 00:56 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 19:09 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 01:15 -0400
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:56 +0200
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:10 +0000
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:32 +0200
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:57 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-08-31 09:07 +0200
                Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-31 08:37 +0000
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:52 +0200
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:46 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:57 +0100
                Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-30 09:17 +1000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 11:12 -0700
                Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 11:01 -0700
                Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-31 19:28 +0100
                Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 11:35 -0700
                Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 20:19 +0000
                Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-31 13:52 -0700
                Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 12:47 +0100
                Re: Javascript whitelisting (was Re: Ancient History) Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-31 22:39 +0000
                Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-09-02 08:32 +1000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:11 +0100
  Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:41 +0200
    Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:53 +0100
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:54 +0100
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:25 +0000
      Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 14:23 +0200
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:28 -0400
          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:12 +0100
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:26 +0000
              Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:56 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:00 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:25 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-27 21:48 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:26 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:59 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:05 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:33 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 17:58 +0100
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:45 +0200
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:42 +0100
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:59 -0400
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 14:15 +0200
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:32 -0400
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:54 +0200
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:19 +0100
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:50 +0200
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 13:04 +0100
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-31 12:18 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-31 15:50 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-09-01 02:41 -0400
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 18:14 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-09-01 22:04 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-09-01 18:07 -0400
                Metformin (Re: Ancient History) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:22 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:01 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-29 10:01 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:02 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-09-01 11:33 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-09-01 19:03 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-09-01 23:40 +0000
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100
    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100
      Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400
      Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000
    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000
  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400
  Re: Ancient History "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800
  Re: Ancient History Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400
    Re: Ancient History Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-25 17:44 +0000
    Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:55 +0000
  Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-27 08:59 +1000
    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:20 +0000
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:38 -0400
        Re: Ancient History vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-27 08:08 +0000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:13 -0400
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
      Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
          Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:03 -0400
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:06 +0100
  Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 08:59 +0100
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:19 -0400

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