Re: Ancient History

From	John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Ancient History
Date	2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
Organization	A place where nothing fits quite right
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On 28 Aug 2026 20:58:24 GMT
rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> > I've been running FF/PaleMoon with NoScript since 2004; there are
> > some sites that I do have to whitelist, annoyingly, but the vast
> > majority of the sites I visit function just fine without. Graceful
> > degradation is, evidently, not as hard as sloppy web developers
> > like to claim it is.  
> 
> Much of the web development I've done was map based, usually with the
> Esri JaveScript API.
> 
> https://leafletjs.com/examples/quick-start/example.html
> 
> Try that site. If you view the page source the pure HTML boils down
> to 
> 
> <body>
> <div id="map" style="width: 600px; height: 400px;"></div>
> </body>
> 
> Everything else is done in the <script></script> block.  In lynx I
> get a black box except for the <title>Quick Start - Leaflet</title>
> block in <head></head>

I'm not disputing that sites like this are out there - but my need for
them is minimal at best, and Actually Zero in most cases. And when I do
need one, well, that's what the whitelist function in NoScript is for.

> It would be possible to create a static map in the backend and serve
> it up but you can kiss interaction goodbye.

This is also not really true; it may or may not be harder to do without
dynamically rendering the whole thing client-side, but it's certainly
possible. Google Maps functioned that way for years.

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Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
  Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 03:15 -0400
    Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 08:19 -0700
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 19:57 +0100
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:25 -0400
          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:33 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:20 +0000
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:27 +0100
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:13 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:24 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:03 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:47 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 09:28 -0700
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 18:53 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:58 +0000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:11 +0100
  Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:41 +0200
    Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:53 +0100
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:54 +0100
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:25 +0000
      Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 14:23 +0200
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:28 -0400
          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:12 +0100
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:26 +0000
              Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:56 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:00 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:25 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-27 21:48 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:26 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:59 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:05 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100
    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100
      Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400
      Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000
    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000
  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400
  Re: Ancient History "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800
  Re: Ancient History Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400
    Re: Ancient History Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-25 17:44 +0000
    Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:55 +0000
  Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-27 08:59 +1000
    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:20 +0000
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:38 -0400
        Re: Ancient History vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-27 08:08 +0000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:13 -0400
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
      Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
          Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
  Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 08:59 +0100

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