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Re: Ancient History

Message-ID <6a936880@news.ausics.net> (permalink)
From not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev)
Subject Re: Ancient History
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc
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Date 2026-08-30 09:17 +1000
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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 29/08/2026 06:41, rbowman wrote:
>> JavaScript is used by 98.7% of all websites as of 2023"
>> 
>> I see that 98.x % on so many sites I'm a little suspicious. Some sites may
>> use the <noscript/> tag to provide alternate functionality but speaking as
>> someone who has done so web development, ain't gonna happen.
> 
> HTML was never designed for an interactive experience.

Yes, so I wish people would stop trying to make webpages
interactive when they don't need to be.

> E.g. Reloading a whole page explicitly after making a single change to 
> an option is massively slow and clunky. Using AJAX is seamless and 
> invisible.
> Example. I have a web page where configurations are updated. You select 
> the values and...
> 
> ...that's it. There is no update or submit button at all. If you 
> selected it, it's updated.

Yeah, and I hate those because when it fails they usually make it
look like it worked anyway, so you don't know unless you manually
reload the page, which takes an age because it's 3MB of Javascript
and locally-processed data that has to be redownloaded and
inefficiently processed to show what could have been in 20KB of
plain HTML in a simple webpage sent back in the blink of an eye. Or
of course you reload and it resets back to a different view
entirely.

If you're running it on a LAN or localhost, like CUPS (though I
avoid that too), fine, otherwise give me back my submit button!

> And that is the point. Properly used JavaScript or equivalent is a huge 
> improvement.
> The problem is its misuse to obfuscate or to insert content you did not 
> request or want

No, that's just the start of the problems.

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Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 04:41 +0000
  Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-25 03:15 -0400
    Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 08:19 -0700
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 19:57 +0100
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 04:25 -0400
          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:33 +0100
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:20 +0000
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:27 +0100
              Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:13 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:24 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:03 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 23:47 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:54 +0000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 09:28 -0700
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 18:53 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:11 +0100
                [OT] Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:20 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 20:58 +0000
                Re: Ancient History John Ames <commodorejohn@gmail.com> - 2026-08-28 14:49 -0700
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 05:41 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:00 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:00 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:55 +0000
                Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-30 09:02 +1000
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 06:28 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 09:15 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:28 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 03:41 -0400
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 00:56 -0400
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 13:56 +0200
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-30 19:10 +0000
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 21:32 +0200
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-31 02:57 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Philippe <p.naudin+nntp@free.fr> - 2026-08-31 09:07 +0200
                Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-31 08:37 +0000
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 21:46 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 09:57 +0100
                Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-30 09:17 +1000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:11 +0100
  Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:41 +0200
    Re: Ancient History Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:53 +0100
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:54 +0100
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:25 +0000
      Re: Ancient History "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-25 14:23 +0200
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 03:28 -0400
          Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 09:12 +0100
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:26 +0000
              Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:56 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-27 12:00 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 20:25 +0000
                Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-27 21:48 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:26 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 06:59 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:05 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:02 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:33 +0000
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-30 17:58 +0100
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:06 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:08 +0100
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-29 13:45 +0200
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 22:42 +0100
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 21:59 -0400
                Re: Ancient History "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2026-08-30 14:15 +0200
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-31 01:32 -0400
                Metformin (Re: Ancient History) Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2026-08-30 09:37 -0700
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-28 12:03 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-28 12:07 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 21:00 +0000
                Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:22 -0400
                Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:01 +0100
                Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-29 10:01 -0400
                Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-29 22:02 +0000
          Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 18:23 +0000
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-26 21:29 +0100
    Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:31 +0100
      Re: Ancient History Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2026-08-25 07:53 -0400
      Re: Ancient History Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2026-08-25 18:26 +0000
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:37 +0000
    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-25 19:16 +0000
      Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 20:21 +0100
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-26 04:40 +0000
  Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-25 12:30 +0100
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-26 02:49 -0400
  Re: Ancient History "Mr. Chang Man-wai" <toylet.toylet@gmail.com> - 2026-08-25 20:07 +0800
  Re: Ancient History Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2026-08-25 11:20 -0400
    Re: Ancient History Robert Riches <spamtrap42@jacob21819.net> - 2026-08-25 17:44 +0000
    Re: Ancient History Lawrence D’Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> - 2026-08-25 21:55 +0000
  Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-27 08:59 +1000
    Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-27 01:20 +0000
      Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:38 -0400
        Re: Ancient History vallor <vallor@vallor.earth> - 2026-08-27 08:08 +0000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 22:13 -0400
            Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:24 +0000
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-27 03:21 -0400
      Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-28 08:58 +1000
        Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 00:36 -0400
        Re: Ancient History rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2026-08-28 04:42 +0000
          Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-28 02:37 -0400
          Re: Ancient History not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2026-08-29 07:40 +1000
            Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 02:03 -0400
            Re: Ancient History The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2026-08-29 10:06 +0100
  Re: Ancient History Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> - 2026-08-28 08:59 +0100
    Re: Ancient History c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2026-08-29 00:19 -0400

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