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  Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-24 20:07 +0000
    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "cykros" <cykros@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-17 23:14 -0400
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-18 09:58 +0000
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:48 -0700
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-19 10:15 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:02 +0000
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 02:49 -0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +0000
                  Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon,  Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 15:20 -0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-20 19:59 +0000
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-22 16:40 +0300
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-19 17:45 -0700
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-18 23:50 +0300
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-06-21 01:18 +0100
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:16 -0700
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-06-21 13:05 +0100
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 18:54 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-21 20:05 +0300
                  Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 22:04 +0200
                    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 22:07 +0200
                      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-22 05:20 +0200
                        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-23 19:51 +0300
                          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-23 22:46 +0200
                            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-25 20:11 +0300
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) A Lurker <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:59 +0000

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From the «but can it fetch me a Guiness?» department:
Title: * My Trip to GNOME:  a 3.10 Review *
Author: Howard Fosdick
Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 17:51:57 -0400
Link: http://osnews.com/story/27745/My_Trip_to_GNOME_a_3_10_Review

Remember back when GNOME and KDE dominated Linux desktops? Seems like a long
time ago, doesn't it? Yet it was only three years ago, in April 2011, that
GNOME 3 was released. Its radically redesigned interface shook up everyone.
Some eagerly adopted it. Others left GNOME. In this brief review I take a
fresh look at GNOME today, as it's currently distributed in several popular
Linux distributions. Read more on this exclusive OSNews article...

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#3735

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote: 
> From the «but can it fetch me a Guiness?» department:
> Title: * My Trip to GNOME:  a 3.10 Review *
> Author: Howard Fosdick
> Date: Fri, 23 May 2014 17:51:57 -0400
> Link: http://osnews.com/story/27745/My_Trip_to_GNOME_a_3_10_Review
> Remember back when GNOME and KDE dominated Linux desktops? Seems like a long
> time ago, doesn't it? Yet it was only three years ago, in April 2011, that
> GNOME 3 was released. Its radically redesigned interface shook up everyone.
> Some eagerly adopted it. Others left GNOME. In this brief review I take a
> fresh look at GNOME today, as it's currently distributed in several popular
> Linux distributions. Read more on this exclusive OSNews article...


Gnome was never something I loved, but the events of 3 years ago made sure I'd never leave it around on anything out of laziness.  It was amazing how quickly they managed to burn their empire with gnome 3. 

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#3740

On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:14:34 -0400
"cykros" <cykros@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Gnome was never something I loved, but the events of 3 years ago made
> sure I'd never leave it around on anything out of laziness.  It was
> amazing how quickly they managed to burn their empire with gnome 3. 

Agree.  I wrote somewhere else that my favorite version of Gnome
remains either Gnome 1.x with the awesome, Sawfish windowmanager (super
configurable, geek heaven), or potentially the last version of Ximian
Gnome with the Nautilus file manager, which was easy to install, looked
and worked well, and was generally a pleasant, easy-to-use desktop.
For me, Mate was a step downward, Gnome 2 was more user-friendly for
the masses but not as fun for me, and Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the
eye.  I can't use it - simply can't bear to be at the computer on a
Gnome3 interface.

WindowMaker, meanwhile, just keeps rocking on ...

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#3746

On 2014-06-18 09:58:26 +0000, RS Wood said:

> On Tue, 17 Jun 2014 23:14:34 -0400
> "cykros" <cykros@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> Gnome was never something I loved, but the events of 3 years ago made
>> sure I'd never leave it around on anything out of laziness.  It was
>> amazing how quickly they managed to burn their empire with gnome 3.
> 
> Agree.  I wrote somewhere else that my favorite version of Gnome
> remains either Gnome 1.x with the awesome, Sawfish windowmanager (super
> configurable, geek heaven), or potentially the last version of Ximian
> Gnome with the Nautilus file manager, which was easy to install, looked
> and worked well, and was generally a pleasant, easy-to-use desktop.
> For me, Mate was a step downward, Gnome 2 was more user-friendly for
> the masses but not as fun for me, and Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the
> eye.  I can't use it - simply can't bear to be at the computer on a
> Gnome3 interface.
> 
> WindowMaker, meanwhile, just keeps rocking on ...

If only more developers took advantage of GNUStep, they would realize 
what a waste of time KDE and Gnome and the rest are.

Sadly it looks like GNUStep, while being actively worked on itself, is 
little-used overall.  A Webkit browser that takes advantage of Safari 
plugins would probably go a long way toward jump-starting a real 
GNUStep desktop.

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#3756

On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:48:51 -0700
Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > WindowMaker, meanwhile, just keeps rocking on ...
> 
> If only more developers took advantage of GNUStep, they would realize 
> what a waste of time KDE and Gnome and the rest are.
> 
> Sadly it looks like GNUStep, while being actively worked on itself, is 
> little-used overall.  A Webkit browser that takes advantage of Safari 
> plugins would probably go a long way toward jump-starting a real 
> GNUStep desktop.

Yes, I keep checking out Etoile [1], hoping for something new and
exciting - an alternative, and each time I conclude it's got a long way
to go and not enough people are excited about or working on the
project.  Too bad!   Realistically, all I need in a desktop environment
are: a file manager, a way to launch apps (preferably, via Alt-F2 or
another key combo), and a windowing or tiling mechanism.  And I realize
I can have all of those things with something as simple as Windowmaker,
FVWM, TWM, or Ratpoison.  Then I ask what the heck the whole rest of
the Gnome or KDE environment gets me and I conclude: not much.  

[1] http://etoileos.com/etoile/

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#3768

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:48:51 -0700
> Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > WindowMaker, meanwhile, just keeps rocking on ...
>> 
>> If only more developers took advantage of GNUStep, they would realize 
>> what a waste of time KDE and Gnome and the rest are.
>> 
>> Sadly it looks like GNUStep, while being actively worked on itself, is 
>> little-used overall.  A Webkit browser that takes advantage of Safari 
>> plugins would probably go a long way toward jump-starting a real 
>> GNUStep desktop.
> 
> Yes, I keep checking out Etoile [1], hoping for something new and
> exciting - an alternative, and each time I conclude it's got a long way
> to go and not enough people are excited about or working on the
> project.  Too bad!   Realistically, all I need in a desktop environment
> are: a file manager, a way to launch apps (preferably, via Alt-F2 or
> another key combo), and a windowing or tiling mechanism.  And I realize
> I can have all of those things with something as simple as Windowmaker,
> FVWM, TWM, or Ratpoison.  Then I ask what the heck the whole rest of
> the Gnome or KDE environment gets me and I conclude: not much.  

My question exactly. What does a "desktop environment" buy me? A bunch
of second or third rate programs that are somehow "integrated"? A
consistent theme -- so what, unless the program is *really* bizarre,
I'll adapt to it or find something else, reminds me of IBM's big push
about 20 years ago for CUA (Completely USeless Abomination) where they
broke perfectly useful applications for their vision of unity.
Last time I tried KDE it reminded me too much of Windows, took almost
as long as my work machine to start up, with a bunch of (to me)
useless eye candy.
> 
> [1] http://etoileos.com/etoile/

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#3770

Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> writes:

> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> And I realize I can have all of those things with something as
>> simple as Windowmaker, FVWM, TWM, or Ratpoison.  Then I ask what
>> the heck the whole rest of the Gnome or KDE environment gets me and
>> I conclude: not much.
> 
> My question exactly. What does a "desktop environment" buy me? A
> bunch of second or third rate programs that are somehow
> "integrated"? [snip] Last time I tried KDE it reminded me too much
> of Windows, took almost as long as my work machine to start up, with
> a bunch of (to me) useless eye candy.

My recent experience: Been a Unix/Linux-Slackware user for 25 years
but getting into DHCP -- completely new stuff for me.  For reasons too
numerous and tedious to enumerate here, problems arise. [1] The answer
to endless groping with wireless and network tools is NetworkManager
or Wicd.  Uh-huh: both require that you have a "system tray", fail
miserably without it. Means getting KDE, another DE, a different and
more featureful WM or at least a standalone system-tray app.  Feh.

Happily, the devs of wicd offer a curses version that runs just fine
in an xterm under twm so I'm good to go now.  But making the default
for a useful tool include a requirement for a DE or the equivalent is
ominous and bodes ill for KISS.


[1] Details over on alt.os.linux.slackware, early June, if you're
    interested.
-- 
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#3772

On 20 Jun 2014 02:49:07 -0300
Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
 
> My recent experience: Been a Unix/Linux-Slackware user for 25 years
> but getting into DHCP -- completely new stuff for me.  For reasons too
> numerous and tedious to enumerate here, problems arise. [1] The answer
> to endless groping with wireless and network tools is NetworkManager
> or Wicd.  Uh-huh: both require that you have a "system tray", fail
> miserably without it. Means getting KDE, another DE, a different and
> more featureful WM or at least a standalone system-tray app.  Feh.
> 
> Happily, the devs of wicd offer a curses version that runs just fine
> in an xterm under twm so I'm good to go now.  But making the default
> for a useful tool include a requirement for a DE or the equivalent is
> ominous and bodes ill for KISS.


No, there's still hope!  I've got your solution(s), having been through
the same issue as you.  Several developers have written systray apps
for Windowmaker.  It's just a little square dockapp, like the rest of
them, and it gives a 'home' to any application looking for a systray in
which to put its icon.  I use it with sylpheed, psi, and networkmanager with no problems whatsoever.  See:

http://en.miheev.info/2006/12/23/trayer.html
http://blog.bigsmoke.us/2009/04/08/wmsystray

Even better is something called stalonetray, which does the same thing but works perfectly with FVWM, Openbox, and others:

http://stalonetray.sourceforge.net/wmhints.html

Lastly, there's Docker, which also works with several window managers:
http://nixbit.com/cat/desktop-environment/tools/docker/

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#3776 — Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.)

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> On 20 Jun 2014 02:49:07 -0300
> Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
>
>> Happily, the devs of wicd offer a curses version that runs just fine
>> in an xterm under twm so I'm good to go now.  But making the default
>> for a useful tool include a requirement for a DE or the equivalent is
>> ominous and bodes ill for KISS.
> 
> No, there's still hope!  I've got your solution(s), having been through
> the same issue as you.  Several developers have written systray apps
> for Windowmaker. 

I *did* mention a stand-alone sys-tray as a possible but unwanted
option.  And that wicd-curses is doing fine.  So it's not a matter of
hope.  I'm already out of the hole.

The thought intended to be salient was a surmise that devs assume a DE
or similarly intensive graphics-dominated user interface. To the
extent that that's true, my remarks apply.

There's no question in my mind that a windowing environment (X) is a
huge improvement over parallel consoles, hacks such as screen(1)
notwithstanding.  But I'm inclined to share the deprecation offered
by other posters of a DE, including WMs that exfoliate numerous GUI
purties.

Looking at stuff about Window Maker, I'd include it in that last
category. Not for me if I can help it.

Well, the remainder saved (thanks) for reference, in case, at some
point, I have to drink the KoolAde and go for a WM with all the
wonderful Windoes/Mac Wannabe Graphic Goodness.


> It's just a little square dockapp, like the rest of them, and it
> gives a 'home' to any application looking for a systray in which to
> put its icon.  I use it with sylpheed, psi, and networkmanager with
> no problems whatsoever.  See:
> 
> http://en.miheev.info/2006/12/23/trayer.html
> http://blog.bigsmoke.us/2009/04/08/wmsystray
> 
> Even better is something called stalonetray, which does the same
> thing but works perfectly with FVWM, Openbox, and others:
> 
> http://stalonetray.sourceforge.net/wmhints.html
> 
> Lastly, there's Docker, which also works with several window managers:
> http://nixbit.com/cat/desktop-environment/tools/docker/


-- 
Mike Spencer                  Nova Scotia, Canada

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#3777

Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> 
> Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> writes:
> 
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> And I realize I can have all of those things with something as
>>> simple as Windowmaker, FVWM, TWM, or Ratpoison.  Then I ask what
>>> the heck the whole rest of the Gnome or KDE environment gets me and
>>> I conclude: not much.
>> 
>> My question exactly. What does a "desktop environment" buy me? A
>> bunch of second or third rate programs that are somehow
>> "integrated"? [snip] Last time I tried KDE it reminded me too much
>> of Windows, took almost as long as my work machine to start up, with
>> a bunch of (to me) useless eye candy.
> 
> My recent experience: Been a Unix/Linux-Slackware user for 25 years
> but getting into DHCP -- completely new stuff for me.  For reasons too
> numerous and tedious to enumerate here, problems arise. [1] The answer
> to endless groping with wireless and network tools is NetworkManager
> or Wicd.  Uh-huh: both require that you have a "system tray", fail
> miserably without it. Means getting KDE, another DE, a different and
> more featureful WM or at least a standalone system-tray app.  Feh.
> 
> Happily, the devs of wicd offer a curses version that runs just fine
> in an xterm under twm so I'm good to go now.  But making the default
> for a useful tool include a requirement for a DE or the equivalent is
> ominous and bodes ill for KISS.
> 
> 
> [1] Details over on alt.os.linux.slackware, early June, if you're
>    interested.

Yeah, I've been following that conversation.

I use fluxbox which includes a systray in the toolbar which allows me
to run wicd's X application. The toolbar is normally hidden at the
bottom of the screen, so it's not intrusive.

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#3791

Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> writes:

> My question exactly. What does a "desktop environment" buy me?

Personally, I like having something integrated and easily configured on
my laptop. I don't mind editing a lua script on my desktop machine to
config the window manager (Awesome WM in my case). But my laptop is more
of a "just use it" type of thing so I appreciate having a convenient
interface to configuring a few things, like all the integrated hardware
the laptop has and my desktop doesn't:

- The window manager, meaning focus and titlebar actions.
- Keyboard layout including the special keys laptops have for volume,
  brightness and whatever.
- Mousepad and mouse settings.
- Power options for when on AC and when on battery.
- Network management for three radios and ethernet.

I also like that these things are installed and working with at least
somewhat reasonable defaults from the get go so I don't have to start
from scratch with vi and a bunch of empty config files.

Back when I got a modernish personal laptop in 2008 (meaning that it had
a lot of things my earlier laptops didn't have like radios), I found
Gnome 2 worked (mostly). I tried KDE and XFCE back then too but they
didn't work and Gnome 2 did. After the Gnome 3 annoyance of losing all
my tweaks I've been using KDE. Which works (mostly) and isn't too heavy
on my current five year old laptop (meaning Core i5 processor, two cores
@2.4 GHz and an SSD).

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#3769

On 2014-06-19 10:15:10 +0000, RS Wood said:

> On Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:48:51 -0700
> Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> WindowMaker, meanwhile, just keeps rocking on ...
>> 
>> If only more developers took advantage of GNUStep, they would realize
>> what a waste of time KDE and Gnome and the rest are.
>> 
>> Sadly it looks like GNUStep, while being actively worked on itself, is
>> little-used overall.  A Webkit browser that takes advantage of Safari
>> plugins would probably go a long way toward jump-starting a real
>> GNUStep desktop.
> 
> Yes, I keep checking out Etoile [1], hoping for something new and
> exciting - an alternative, and each time I conclude it's got a long way
> to go and not enough people are excited about or working on the
> project.  Too bad!   Realistically, all I need in a desktop environment
> are: a file manager, a way to launch apps (preferably, via Alt-F2 or
> another key combo), and a windowing or tiling mechanism.  And I realize
> I can have all of those things with something as simple as Windowmaker,
> FVWM, TWM, or Ratpoison.  Then I ask what the heck the whole rest of
> the Gnome or KDE environment gets me and I conclude: not much.
> 
> [1] http://etoileos.com/etoile/

I too have been waiting for a full Free Objective-C based WM / basic 
app suite combination that is maintained.  Meanwhile my Mac works for 
me!

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#3748

RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> writes:

> ...Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the eye.  I can't use it - simply
> can't bear to be at the computer on a Gnome3 interface.

In my case, I tweaked Gnome3 to be mostly to my liking. That meant a
bunch of extensions but also editing raw XML files to adjust font sizes
and such. I was OK with it for a while. Then it got updated and all my
tweaks were deleted. Went to KDE right then on my laptop and haven't
looked back. Although KDE 4 still has some weird teething issues. Just
recently I figured out why screen lock wasn't working, it was just
because of some obscure dependency that hadn't made it to the package
manager. Installed some non-relevant sounding package and got
screenlocking working. This after my bug report languished in a limbo
for months...

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#3778

On 2014-06-18 10:58, RS Wood wrote:
> Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the eye.  I can't use it - simply can't
> bear to be at the computer on a Gnome3 interface.

I liked Gnome 2. Gnome 3 is an abomination, and if Gnome Classic
disappears I'll probably be off to Xfce-land.

One of the more bizarre things I read on one of the Gnome lists was that
transparency was likely to be removed from Gnome Terminal because (iirc)
something in a new library would break it, and the devs couldn't find a
way of making it work again. Gnome's in danger of going backwards.

And Xfce does transparency nicely. :-)

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#3780

On 6/20/2014 5:18 PM PT, Hils typed:

>> Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the eye.  I can't use it - simply can't
>> bear to be at the computer on a Gnome3 interface.
>
> I liked Gnome 2. Gnome 3 is an abomination, and if Gnome Classic
> disappears I'll probably be off to Xfce-land.

Ditto except I went to KDE4. [sighs]
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#3782

Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> writes:
> Hils typed:
>>> Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the eye.  I can't use it - simply can't
>>> bear to be at the computer on a Gnome3 interface.
>>
>> I liked Gnome 2. Gnome 3 is an abomination, and if Gnome Classic
>> disappears I'll probably be off to Xfce-land.
>
> Ditto except I went to KDE4. [sighs]

I tried KDE (among other things), but:

    $ du -sh .kde
    1.8G    .kde

Nearly 2G of per-user state?  Seriously?

Glad that MATE is now in Debian backports.

-- 
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#3783

On Saturday 21 June 2014 14:05, Richard Kettlewell conveyed the 
following to comp.misc...

> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> writes:
>
>> Hils typed:
>>
>>> [RS Wood wrote:]
>>>
>>>> Gnome 3 was a red-hot poke in the eye.  I can't use it - simply
>>>> can't bear to be at the computer on a Gnome3 interface.
>>>
>>> I liked Gnome 2. Gnome 3 is an abomination, and if Gnome Classic
>>> disappears I'll probably be off to Xfce-land.
>>
>> Ditto except I went to KDE4. [sighs]
> 
> I tried KDE (among other things), but:
> 
>     $ du -sh .kde
>     1.8G    .kde
> 
> Nearly 2G of per-user state?  Seriously?

First of all, if you use make use of KMail, then the ~/.kde (or ~/.kde4) 
directory also contains all your e-mails - normally in 
~/.kde{,4}/share/apps/kmail/mail.  

Secondly, I don't know what you've done on your system to make that 
directory 1.8 GiB in size, but that is most certainly not the case on my 
system here, with KDE 4.6.5.

 [localhost:/dev/pts/0][/home/aragorn]
 [18:16:39][aragorn] $> du -sh .kde4
 420M    .kde4

 [localhost:/dev/pts/0][/home/aragorn]
 [18:16:56][aragorn] $> du -sh .kde4/apps/share/kmail/mail
 335M    .kde4/share/apps/kmail/mail

Mind you that Nepomuk (which is part of the semantic desktop 
functionality) is set up in some distributions to automatically create 
backups - the amount of diskspace it uses is adjustable in the KDE 
System Settings window - and if Strigi (which requires Nepomuk) is 
running, then its cache will also consume disk space.

There may also be sockets and other temporary files under your ~/.kde or 
~/.kde4 directory, albeit that those would not normally consume that 
much disk space.

> Glad that MATE is now in Debian backports.

Different strokes for different folks.  Enlightenment is pretty decent 
too, and far more customizable than anything GTK-based.

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#3784

Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid>:

> First of all, if you use make use of KMail, then the ~/.kde (or
> ~/.kde4) directory also contains all your e-mails - normally in
> ~/.kde{,4}/share/apps/kmail/mail.

That is scary!


Marko

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#3786

On Saturday 21 June 2014 19:05, Marko Rauhamaa conveyed the following to 
comp.misc...

> Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid>:
> 
>> First of all, if you use make use of KMail, then the ~/.kde (or
>> ~/.kde4) directory also contains all your e-mails - normally in
>> ~/.kde{,4}/share/apps/kmail/mail.
> 
> That is scary!

That's the default, but you can get around that by making that a 
symbolic link to another directory.

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#3787

On Sat, 21 Jun 2014 22:04:36 +0200
Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> wrote:

> On Saturday 21 June 2014 19:05, Marko Rauhamaa conveyed the following to 
> comp.misc...
> 
> > Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid>:
> > 
> >> First of all, if you use make use of KMail, then the ~/.kde (or
> >> ~/.kde4) directory also contains all your e-mails - normally in
> >> ~/.kde{,4}/share/apps/kmail/mail.
> > 
> > That is scary!
> 
> That's the default, but you can get around that by making that a 
> symbolic link to another directory.
> 

Can't you simply tell kmail to use another directory? That would seem like a
more "organic" solution.

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