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Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.)

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Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> wrote:
> 
> Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> writes:
> 
>> RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> And I realize I can have all of those things with something as
>>> simple as Windowmaker, FVWM, TWM, or Ratpoison.  Then I ask what
>>> the heck the whole rest of the Gnome or KDE environment gets me and
>>> I conclude: not much.
>> 
>> My question exactly. What does a "desktop environment" buy me? A
>> bunch of second or third rate programs that are somehow
>> "integrated"? [snip] Last time I tried KDE it reminded me too much
>> of Windows, took almost as long as my work machine to start up, with
>> a bunch of (to me) useless eye candy.
> 
> My recent experience: Been a Unix/Linux-Slackware user for 25 years
> but getting into DHCP -- completely new stuff for me.  For reasons too
> numerous and tedious to enumerate here, problems arise. [1] The answer
> to endless groping with wireless and network tools is NetworkManager
> or Wicd.  Uh-huh: both require that you have a "system tray", fail
> miserably without it. Means getting KDE, another DE, a different and
> more featureful WM or at least a standalone system-tray app.  Feh.
> 
> Happily, the devs of wicd offer a curses version that runs just fine
> in an xterm under twm so I'm good to go now.  But making the default
> for a useful tool include a requirement for a DE or the equivalent is
> ominous and bodes ill for KISS.
> 
> 
> [1] Details over on alt.os.linux.slackware, early June, if you're
>    interested.

Yeah, I've been following that conversation.

I use fluxbox which includes a systray in the toolbar which allows me
to run wicd's X application. The toolbar is normally hidden at the
bottom of the screen, so it's not intrusive.

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Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood  <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-05-24 20:07 +0000
  Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "cykros" <cykros@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-17 23:14 -0400
    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-18 09:58 +0000
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-18 12:48 -0700
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-19 10:15 +0000
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-19 20:02 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 02:49 -0300
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com> - 2014-06-20 09:28 +0000
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon,  Classic, Unity, etc.) Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2014-06-20 15:20 -0300
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Jerry Peters <jerry@example.invalid> - 2014-06-20 19:59 +0000
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-22 16:40 +0300
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Oregonian Haruspex <bob_davis_retired@yahoo.com> - 2014-06-19 17:45 -0700
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-18 23:50 +0300
      Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Hils <hils@saynotospam.net> - 2014-06-21 01:18 +0100
        Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> - 2014-06-21 02:16 -0700
          Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Richard Kettlewell <rjk@greenend.org.uk> - 2014-06-21 13:05 +0100
            Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 18:54 +0200
              Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Marko Rauhamaa <marko@pacujo.net> - 2014-06-21 20:05 +0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-21 22:04 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) "Andy K." <andy.k466@gmail.com> - 2014-06-21 22:07 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-22 05:20 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-23 19:51 +0300
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Aragorn <thorongil@telenet.be.invalid> - 2014-06-23 22:46 +0200
                Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) Anssi Saari <as@sci.fi> - 2014-06-25 20:11 +0300
    Re: Gnome 3, three years after the Gnomesplosion (MATE, Cinnamon, Classic, Unity, etc.) A Lurker <invalid@invalid.invalid> - 2014-06-19 18:59 +0000

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