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Re: Annotated version of SRT

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
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Subject	Re: Annotated version of SRT
Date	2022-04-06 07:53 +0200
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Am 05.04.2022 um 16:56 schrieb Odd Bodkin:

>>>>>>>>> No. You simply don't understand how this works. Some people, when
>>>>>>>>> they don't understand something, tend to blame everyone but themselves
>>>>>>>>> for this. I cannot fix this problem for you.
>>>>>>>> I understand, that magnetic field and electric field have different
>>>>>>>> effects, hence are different things, even if related.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So: I cannot subtract 1 amp from 1 Volt, because that does not make much
>>>>>>>> more sense then subtraction weigth from pressure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't subtract 1 A from 1 V.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Electric field strength (commonly called 'E') was subtracted from
>>>>>> magnetic field strength (commonly called 'H') by Einstein.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> E has [V/m] as units and H has [A/m].
>>>>>
>>>>> How about in cgs units? You know about those?
>>>>
>>>> Do you really want to defend the same idocities as Einstein?
>>>
>>> I don’t think systems of units are idiocies.
>>
>> Not the system of units, of course, but the use of these units.
>
> This may come as a shock to you, but combining quantities of the same units
> and same transformation properties is commonplace in physics. For example,
> the combination of angular kinetic energy and translational kinetic energy
> in ordinary energy conservation scenarios.
>
>>
>> The cgs system boild the fields down to 'force', which is measured in
>> 'dyne'.
>>
>> This force was meant as real mechanical force like with what we measure
>> weight, for instance.
>>
>> This was justified by measuring a force inside the measuring device,
>> which ultimately was a mechanical force.
>>
>> (Einstein actually wrote so, when he wrote about the connection of an
>> electron to a spring balance).
>>
>> Now the same units 'dyne' are not appropriate for electrical fields of
>> different kind, because the dyne is 'not electric'.
>>
>> The units simply ignore this different origins of the fields and their
>> different nature.
>
> I think you’re going to be generally flummoxed by the realization that
> there is one electromagnetic field, not physically distinct electric and
> magnetic fields.


I know magnets and I know electric fields. These fields do not behave 
equal, at least not in the static realm.

They may be ultimately two manifestations of the same thing, but still 
these static manifestations behave different.

If we now use the features of one of these manifestions and apply them 
to the other one, we find, these description does not match.

Magnetic fields behave inertial and make things spin, while electric 
fields push or pull other charged objects, what is not quite the same.


Your statement is not entirely wrong, but is actually a disprove of one 
of Einstein's main assumptions:

The electric field itself was modelled by Einstein by means of 
electrons, which were assumed as very tiny balls, to which a certain 
amount of charge was added.

But if electric and magnetic fields are actually only one thing, than 
how would you like to modell the electric charge of an electron?


...

TH

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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-05 08:09 +0200
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      Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-03 00:43 -0700
      Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-03 12:38 +0000
        Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-04 07:14 +0200
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            Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-05 08:16 +0200
          Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-04 13:55 +0000
            Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-05 08:25 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-06 13:50 +0000
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-06 14:18 +0000
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-07 07:08 +0200
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          Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-04 13:10 +0200
          Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-04 13:55 +0000
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 23:56 -0700
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 23:51 -0700
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-10 12:28 +0200
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