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| From | Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | sci.physics.relativity |
| Subject | Re: Annotated version of SRT |
| Date | 2022-04-07 07:45 +0200 |
| Message-ID | <jb7c37F20sU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <javdg2Fe6q1U1@mid.individual.net> <t2etbn$h0v$3@gioia.aioe.org> <jb268qF405U1@mid.individual.net> <t2i00b$e25$1@gioia.aioe.org> <jb4ptjFffd0U1@mid.individual.net> |
Am 06.04.2022 um 08:22 schrieb Thomas Heger:
> Am 05.04.2022 um 19:58 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>> On 4/5/2022 2:35 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 04.04.2022 um 15:55 schrieb Odd Bodkin:
>>>> Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
>>>>> Am 03.04.2022 um 21:42 schrieb Michael Moroney:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I understand, that magnetic field and electric field have
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> effects, hence are different things, even if related.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So: I cannot subtract 1 amp from 1 Volt, because that does not
>>>>>>>>> make
>>>>>>>>> much
>>>>>>>>> more sense then subtraction weigth from pressure.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You don't subtract 1 A from 1 V.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Electric field strength (commonly called 'E') was subtracted from
>>>>>>> magnetic field strength (commonly called 'H') by Einstein.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> E has [V/m] as units and H has [A/m].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To subtract E from H would mean [A/m - V/m] =[(A - V)/m].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Einstein used only the X-components called 'N' and 'Y', which
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> have similar units, nevertheless. The used phrase 'force' instead of
>>>>>>> 'field strength' was actually wrong.)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now ... ..(N - v/c*Y)... contains an illegal operation, because it
>>>>>>> requires to subtract Volts from Amps. (sorry: I wrote it the other
>>>>>>> way
It is worth to have a closer look at the equations on page 13 again.
Einstein did something repeatedly wrong:
he used scalar for quatities, which are inherently vectorial (or vice
versa):
forces got scalar units in the form 'number of dynes', where the number
were treated as the physical quantity instead of number with units
velocity and accelaration have a direction, hence require vectors, but
were treated as scalars (also occasionally as vectors)
electric and magnetic field strength were treated as scalar values
(occasionally)
c was treated as vector occasionally, but is actually a scalar
So, something was seriously wrong with Einstein's treatment of vectors.
The first 'wrongness' was his habbit, that he made no distinction in the
used fonts or by other signs between vectors and scalar.
That made it very difficult to find out, what a certain symbol shall
express.
But not only that, he also changed the meaning from scalar to vector (or
back) without notice.
(This is in fact a very serious flaw and would invalidate the paper usually.
But not so in this case, which is actually regarded as a masterpiece and
pinnacle of all of science.)
Now we need to take a look at one of these equations on page 13, and
ask, which symbol means a vector and which a scalar.
1/c* ∂X/∂τ = ∂/∂η { β (N − v/c *Y)} − ∂/∂ζ { β (M+ v/c *Z)}
Now at least v is a vector and c a scalar.
Field strength should be a vector, too, but actually we don't know, how
Einstein meant his variable names, because he didn't define them anywhere.
so, lets assume he meant scalars with X, N, Y, M and Z.
In this case the vector v/c would hinder to add N and Y, because scalar
times vector is a vector and you cannot add scalars to vectors.
Therefore the field strength symbols X, Y,Z, N, M cannot mean scalars.
So lets assume vectors.
In this case we have a problem with adding electric field strength
vectors to magnetic field strength vectors, because they have different
units and belong to different coordinate systems.
The character 'moving' for the electric field can be seen in the use of
velocity v, which was the velocity of the moving coordinate system k in
respect to K.
But the time tau is the time measure from k, which does not move in
respect to itself. Therefore the use of v requires a second coordinate
system K, which also provides values.
To add vectors from one coordinate systems to vectors from the other is
certainly not allowed.
TH
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Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-05 08:25 +0200
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Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 13:25 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 07:53 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-03 15:42 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-04 07:20 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-04 13:10 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-04 13:55 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-05 08:35 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-05 10:28 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 03:15 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-06 08:01 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 14:56 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-05 14:03 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 18:06 +0000
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Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 13:25 +0000
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Re: Annotated version of SRT Mitch Yamaguchi <sdvw@aozrihai.wg> - 2022-04-07 19:23 +0000
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Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 07:56 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-05 13:58 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-06 08:22 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-07 07:45 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 01:20 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 08:14 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 23:47 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 01:06 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 08:40 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 23:56 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 20:50 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-08 19:05 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-09 08:08 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-08 23:51 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 13:02 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT Coke Hishikawa <uhva@blseummh.nm> - 2022-04-09 13:21 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-09 12:18 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-10 09:14 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-04-10 11:29 +0300
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-10 12:28 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> - 2022-04-10 16:54 +0300
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-11 00:50 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 21:52 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-11 07:42 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-11 11:01 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-11 05:50 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-11 18:20 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-11 09:48 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2022-04-11 09:54 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-11 12:32 -0700
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Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-11 12:38 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 13:06 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-09 07:48 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-09 14:36 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 06:18 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-10 08:49 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 23:52 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 12:54 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 12:51 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 05:02 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-10 21:04 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Python <python@example.invalid> - 2022-04-10 22:08 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-10 21:20 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-11 07:48 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Reinhardt Behm <rbehm@hushmail.com> - 2022-04-11 08:43 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-11 13:55 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-11 21:09 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Coke Hishikawa <uhva@blseummh.nm> - 2022-04-09 11:33 +0000
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-09 13:08 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-10 11:54 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-10 21:10 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-11 12:43 -0700
Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-04 21:02 -0400
Re: Annotated version of SRT "Paul B. Andersen" <paul.b.andersen@paulba.no> - 2022-04-03 22:31 +0200
Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-04 13:10 +0200
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