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Re: Annotated version of SRT

From	Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Annotated version of SRT
Date	2022-04-03 12:38 +0000
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Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> wrote:
> Am 01.04.2022 um 09:39 schrieb JanPB:
>> On Thursday, March 31, 2022 at 10:37:59 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>> Am 31.03.2022 um 09:14 schrieb JanPB:
>>>> On Wednesday, March 30, 2022 at 11:04:11 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>> Am 30.03.2022 um 20:08 schrieb JanPB:
>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> But I have not dealt with these equations, because I disliked Einstein's
>>>>>>>>>>> subtraction of magnetic field strength from electric field strength, anyhow.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> It's nothing peculiar to Einstein, it's the Gaussian system of units.
>>>>>>>>> I have actually problems with subtracting electric field strength from
>>>>>>>>> magnetic field strength.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> This is like subtracting 1 V from 1 A.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> To me this doesn't make any sense at all.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> That's your problem then. If you want to resolve this, you must
>>>>>>>> learn how various systems of units work.
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> In the cgs system electric field strength and magnetic field strength
>>>>>>> have the same unit of force, because the fields were equated with the
>>>>>>> process of measuring them.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> These measuring devices contained deformable springs, which measure a force.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Such springs are contained in many analog measuring devices, like a
>>>>>>> pressure gauge, a cithen balance or a volt-meter.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All of them measure something by a reference to a deformable spring.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> But you cannot subtract Volts from psi, just because both were measured
>>>>>>> with a deformable spring.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> To do so would require a physical justification, which was entirely
>>>>>>> missing in Einstein's text.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> No, this is how units of systems work (Gaussian, in this case).
>>>>> I have given you already the example, that many anolg measuring devices
>>>>> work with deformable springs, which emasure ultimatively a force.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But still you must not add or subtract different units,
>>>> 
>>>> They are not different units in the Gaussian system.
>>>> 
>>>>> like pressure
>>>>> and weigth,
>>>> 
>>>> N/A. Learn about X if you want to discuss X (esp. if you want to
>>>> criticise X).
>>>> 
>>>>> for instance, even if a pressure gauge and a kitchen scale
>>>>> work with a spring.
>>>>> 
>>>>> It is fantastically stupid nonsese to even advocate such use of values.
>>>> 
>>>> No. You simply don't understand how this works. Some people, when
>>>> they don't understand something, tend to blame everyone but themselves
>>>> for this. I cannot fix this problem for you.
>>> I understand, that magnetic field and electric field have different
>>> effects, hence are different things, even if related.
>>> 
>>> So: I cannot subtract 1 amp from 1 Volt, because that does not make much
>>> more sense then subtraction weigth from pressure.
>> 
>> You don't subtract 1 A from 1 V.
> 
> 
> Electric field strength (commonly called 'E') was subtracted from 
> magnetic field strength (commonly called 'H') by Einstein.
> 
> E has [V/m] as units and H has [A/m].

How about in cgs units? You know about those?

> 
> To subtract E from H would mean [A/m - V/m] =[(A - V)/m].
> 
> (Einstein used only the X-components called 'N' and 'Y', which should 
> have similar units, nevertheless. The used phrase 'force' instead of 
> 'field strength' was actually wrong.)
> 
> Now ... ..(N - v/c*Y)... contains an illegal operation, because it 
> requires to subtract Volts from Amps. (sorry: I wrote it the other way 
> round, but that does not matter, because subtraction is also a form of 
> addition).
> 
> I have complained about this operation and you are still not able to 
> justify that by other means then by referencing to the same units used 
> in the cgs system.
> 
> My argument, that this would justify other operations, which are 
> regarded as illegal, like subtraction pressure from weight, hence must 
> be illegal itself, you were unable to disprove.
> 
> So in effect you are unable to defend Einstein's position.
> 
> 
> TH
> 
> 
> ...
> 
> 



-- 
Odd Bodkin -- maker of fine toys, tools, tables

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              Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-03 12:38 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-04 07:14 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-04 01:44 -0700
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-05 02:46 -0400
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-06 07:40 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 14:56 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-06 07:53 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-06 13:50 +0000
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-06 14:18 +0000
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-07 07:08 +0200
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-04 13:55 +0000
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2022-04-05 10:28 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 03:15 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-06 08:01 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 14:56 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-05 14:03 -0400
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-05 18:06 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-07 07:48 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 13:25 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 07:59 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Mitch Yamaguchi <sdvw@aozrihai.wg> - 2022-04-07 19:23 +0000
                Re: Annotated version of SRT thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 14:10 -0700
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                Re: Annotated version of SRT Michael Moroney <moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com> - 2022-04-05 13:58 -0400
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-06 08:22 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-07 07:45 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 01:20 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 08:14 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 23:47 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 01:06 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 08:40 +0200
                Re: Annotated version of SRT JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2022-04-07 23:56 -0700
                Re: Annotated version of SRT Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-04-08 20:50 +0200
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