Re: Windows OS

From	"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	aus.computers
Subject	Re: Windows OS
Date	2015-12-25 05:21 +1100
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Xeno <xenolith@optusnet.com.au> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote
>>> Xeno wrote
>>>> Noddy wrote
>>>>> D Walford wrote

>>>>>> My son has gone over to the dark side, where he works in the UK
>>>>>> everything is Mac and he has become a fan, after my latest computer
>>>>>> problem he's telling me to dump the PC and buy a Mac.

>>>>> Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do, *if* you like paying 
>>>>> through
>>>>> the nose for your hardware,

>>>> Good quality hardware costs, just like hardware in the PC world.

>>> I would never buy a Mac.

>> I might, but only to develop iOS apps.

> What have you developed, app wise?

I've only been considering it for iOS.

>>> I like to 'fiddle' (I make/repair/upgrade my own PC's) and Apple
>>> actively discourage fiddling. they want users to pay a fortune to one
>>> of their accredited dealers to do what one could easily do themselves
>>> if it were a PC. but my very first personal computer was an Apple Mac,
>>> with 128k of RAM (no, that's not a misprint!) and no hard drive. but
>>> it was technologically streets ahead of IBM machines of the day, which
>>> were still using DOS. Win 3.1 hadn't been released of course, but when
>>> it was it was just a crude copy of the Mac OS, which was called
>>> 'finder' as I recall. However, as windows evolved I decided to make
>>> the change. the cost of Mac hardware and software, the low cost of PC
>>> software/hardware by comparison, and not to mention the plethora
>>> available, and of course the ease of upgrading PC's were the crucial
>>> factors.

>>>>> want around 5% of the world's software made available to you

>>>> Of course 95% of PC software is just duplicate functionality software
>>>> that matches the functionality of the 5% of the Mac software.

>>>>> and want to put up with Apple's bullshit.

>>>> What bullshit would that be Noddy?

>>> how about the fact that you just have to guess most of time how to do
>>> things? iPads don't even come with an instruction book for example.

>> They do have a proper electronic manual.

> Yep, from the App Store and free too.

>> It would be completely stupid to have a printed one.

> Not entirely

Entirely IMO with something like an ipad one of whose
main purposes is to allow you to read electronic documents.

> but it would be a waste of paper given the nature of the iPad.

What I said in different words.

> For that matter, I'm sure both of our iPads had a tutorial built in that 
> would run you through the features and show you the basics in using the 
> iPad itself.

Yeah, you certainly need something like that for
the power and home buttons just so you can use
it enough to be able to get into the full manual.

>>> Apple tries to create the impression that it's a superior product for 
>>> superior more intelligent users.

>> It is a lot more intuitive than the android system.

> You've noticed that too, huh?  ;-)

Yeah, Job's demand that his granny should be able
to use it has certainly been very well achieved IMO.

Unlike some fucking androids where even someone
like me can find it hard to add a new contact with
some of them, let alone someone who has never
used one and has got one as a gift etc. FAR too many
just give up in that situation and dump the gift.

The other thing about the apple devices is that they
are far less configurable than androids particularly
at the UI level so you don’t get the situation where
are particular device has been configured so
differently by the owner that its impossible to
work out how to do something very basic like
take a photo with it and send the photo to
someone in their contacts list when  you borrow
their device for something quick and dirty like that.

That also means that with the Apple devices with
a bit of care you can write instructions that will work on
any Apple device, no matter how its been configured.

>> And quite a bit more restricted too in some areas.

> And that's not always a bad thing.

Yeah, particularly in the UI config area like I said above.

That does however mean that you can't have the same
UI style right across all your devices including the non
Apple devices unless you copy the Apple UI style on your
non Apple devices and that isn't always possible either.

>> You can't for example have the phones auto answer
>> incoming calls because that can be used to snoop
>> on people who set their phone up that way.

>>> snobby ppl who drive European cars and sip lattes always buy Apple 
>>> products. :)

>> Plenty of those wont touch them.

>>>> The Mac OS? Been a free upgrade for years. Even before the Mac OS was 
>>>> free, it was very cheap, unlike Windows ripoff upgrades. It's
>>>> interesting to note that the Mac OS/X operating system has had the
>>>> same user interface since 2001, unlike Windows on PCs in the same
>>>> timeframe.

>>> that IS a good feature

>> And you are free to run Win on them too if you want.

> And I do. Currently running Win7 under Parallels Desktop. I could run Win7 
> native with Bootcamp but then I couldn't run OSX at the same time. 
> Parallels give me both at the same time with 'Cohesion' (Desktop 
> integration).

>>>> Apple realised that Phones/Tablets have different operational and user 
>>>> interface requirements to Desktop/laptop computers hence we have 2 
>>>> Apple operating systems. OS/X for desktops/
>>>> laptops and iOS for phones/tablets.

>>> no one in their right mind would buy a windows phone anyway..

>> Quite a few do. Mainly so they have the same UI on the phone
>> and the laptop etc.

>>>> This is not surprising from a company like Apple who seemed to 
>>>> understand the difference and were very successful in the tablet and 
>>>> phone market. So successful was Apple that iPhone and Mac sales 
>>>> continue to grow, even with a rise in the number of competitors into 
>>>> the marketplace.

>>>> The app store? Get used to it, it's a proven success. So much so
>>>> that, belatedly, Micro$oft is attempting to emulate the success. I wish 
>>>> them luck as their success rate at predicting trends and
>>>> capitalising on them have seen a singular lack of success in many 
>>>> areas.

>> They have done fine with games consoles, Apple hasn’t.

> True but did Apple ever try to get into the game console market? I can't 
> recall any such attempt.

Sure, but they would have if they had been any good at predicting
trends and capitalising on them given how almost universal they
are with kids of all ages. Cant think of any kid I know that doesn’t
have one, and most of them have more than one of them too.

That is a trend Apple has missed out on completely.

>>>> Attempts at making Windows on desktops operate like a tablet have
>>>> been a resounding failure and Win 10, with it's regression to the
>>>> Start Menu, is proof of that. Micro$oft should have consulted Apple!
>>>> ;-)  OS market share can be misleading; http://tinyurl.com/qxs7vfu
>>>> Looks like Apple aren't in the race but when you consider that Apple
>>>> primarily sells hardware with a packaged OS, the chart shows they are
>>>> selling a shitload of hardware. Microsoft, on the other hand, sell
>>>> only software

>> That's not true with games consoles or the surfaces.

> The surface is still a very small percentage of total tablet sales.

Sure, but its still not just software.

> It will do better in the larger format hybrid versions I suspect.

Dunno. The problem is that the UI is pretty doggy compared
with iOS and the other market with that UI, laptops are dying
in the arse now. They wont be completely replaced by tablets,
bit it remains to be seen if its much of a market for long.

>> Or with phones now either since the Nokia takeover.

> My sister has a Nokia phone with Windows on it. Sucks big time.

That kid who I just drove to Sydney has one and it works fine.

Main downside is that there is no google nav app for it.

> She's lucky as it is pretty much her first mobile phone, no 'unlearning 
> processes'.

There doesn’t need to be if they have a Win laptop.

>>>> though they have tried to market hardware/software packages in the past 
>>>> with less than stellar success.

>>> that's all true isn't it

>> Their OS still completely dominates the laptop/desktop market.

> I wonder for how much longer?

Forever I expect, as that market segment fades in to obscurity
like desktops have now to a considerable extent.

>>>>> Fuck that. Owning an *Ipod* was enough to convince me that Apple would 
>>>>> never get another cent out of me.

>> More fool you.

> Indeed he is.

Yeah, the ipod was in fact a hell of a device, left all the other
media players for dead. Its only real problem is that it makes
more sense to have that functionality in the phone now that
almost everyone has a phone now.

Not everyone does tho, I know a couple of
dinosaurs that refuse to have a mobile phone.

>>> I had the same conclusion after buying an iPad. however, non apple
>>> tablets weren't in the race when I bought it. different story now though

>>>> So, you bought an iPod and, on that basis, you're now an expert on
>>>> Mac hardware and software. Story of your life really! Sorry but you
>>>> can't judge other Apple products based on your experience with an
>>>> iPod. The most notable difference is that the iPod had a very
>>>> minimalistic user interface, much like most MP3 players around at the
>>>> time. You probably haven't realised it but most other Apple products
>>>> go to the opposite end of the spectrum. In fact, smart phones seem to
>>>> be killing of the iPod and other MP3 player variants these days.

>> In fact the ipod touch is just an iphone with the phone missing.

> The later ones, maybe.

No maybe about it with the ipod touch.

> The early ones weren't even that much. Never had much interest in iPods 
> anyway.

Yeah, I never bothered that much with portable music, but plenty do.

>>>> After all, it seems all smart phones have MP3 and video player 
>>>> functionality these days.

>> But apple doesn’t compete at the very low cost end
>> of smartphone and never has with stupid phones.

> Doesn't compete at the low end of desktops/laptops either.

True.

> Thin margins and too many bit players at that end of the spectrum for 
> Apple to be bothered with it.

>>>> The iPod is occupying an ever diminishing niche these days.

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