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On 24/12/2015 4:00 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
> felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote
>> Xeno wrote
>>> Noddy wrote
>>>> D Walford wrote
>
>>>>> My son has gone over to the dark side, where he works in the UK
>>>>> everything is Mac and he has become a fan, after my latest computer
>>>>> problem he's telling me to dump the PC and buy a Mac.
>
>>>> Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do, *if* you like paying through
>>>> the nose for your hardware,
>
>>> Good quality hardware costs, just like hardware in the PC world.
>
>> I would never buy a Mac.
>
> I might, but only to develop iOS apps.

What have you developed, app wise?
>
>> I like to 'fiddle' (I make/repair/upgrade my own PC's) and Apple
>> actively discourage fiddling. they want users to pay a fortune to one
>> of their accredited dealers to do what one could easily do themselves
>> if it were a PC. but my very first personal computer was an Apple Mac,
>> with 128k of RAM (no, that's not a misprint!) and no hard drive. but
>> it was technologically streets ahead of IBM machines of the day, which
>> were still using DOS. Win 3.1 hadn't been released of course, but when
>> it was it was just a crude copy of the Mac OS, which was called
>> 'finder' as I recall. However, as windows evolved I decided to make
>> the change. the cost of Mac hardware and software, the low cost of PC
>> software/hardware by comparison, and not to mention the plethora
>> available, and of course the ease of upgrading PC's were the crucial
>> factors.
>
>>>> want around 5% of the world's software made available to you
>
>>> Of course 95% of PC software is just duplicate functionality software
>>> that matches the functionality of the 5% of the Mac software.
>
>>>> and want to put up with Apple's bullshit.
>
>>> What bullshit would that be Noddy?
>
>> how about the fact that you just have to guess most of time how to do
>> things? iPads don't even come with an instruction book for example.
>
> They do have a proper electronic manual.

Yep, from the App Store and free too.

> It would be completely stupid to have a printed one.

Not entirely but it would be a waste of paper given the nature of the 
iPad. For that matter, I'm sure both of our iPads had a tutorial built 
in that would run you through the features and show you the basics in 
using the iPad itself.
>
>> Apple tries to create the impression that it's a superior product for
>> superior more intelligent users.
>
> It is a lot more intuitive than the android system.

You've noticed that too, huh?  ;-)
>
> And quite a bit more restricted too in some areas.

And that's not always a bad thing.
>
> You can't for example have the phones auto answer
> incoming calls because that can be used to snoop
> on people who set their phone up that way.
>
>> snobby ppl who drive European cars and sip lattes always buy Apple
>> products. :)
>
> Plenty of those wont touch them.
>
>>> The Mac OS? Been a free upgrade for years. Even before the Mac OS was
>>> free, it was very cheap, unlike Windows ripoff upgrades. It's
>>> interesting to note that the Mac OS/X operating system has had the
>>> same user interface since 2001, unlike Windows on PCs in the same
>>> timeframe.
>
>> that IS a good feature
>
> And you are free to run Win on them too if you want.

And I do. Currently running Win7 under Parallels Desktop. I could run 
Win7 native with Bootcamp but then I couldn't run OSX at the same time. 
Parallels give me both at the same time with 'Cohesion' (Desktop 
integration).
>
>>> Apple realised that Phones/Tablets have different operational and
>>> user interface requirements to Desktop/laptop computers hence we have
>>> 2 Apple operating systems. OS/X for desktops/laptops and iOS for
>>> phones/tablets.
>
>> no one in their right mind would buy a windows phone anyway..
>
> Quite a few do. Mainly so they have the same UI on the phone
> and the laptop etc.
>
>>> This is not surprising from a company like Apple who seemed to
>>> understand the difference and were very successful in the tablet and
>>> phone market. So successful was Apple that iPhone and Mac sales
>>> continue to grow, even with a rise in the number of competitors into
>>> the marketplace.
>
>>> The app store? Get used to it, it's a proven success. So much so
>>> that, belatedly, Micro$oft is attempting to emulate the success. I
>>> wish them luck as their success rate at predicting trends and
>>> capitalising on them have seen a singular lack of success in many areas.
>
> They have done fine with games consoles, Apple hasn’t.

True but did Apple ever try to get into the game console market? I can't 
recall any such attempt.
>
>>> Attempts at making Windows on desktops operate like a tablet have
>>> been a resounding failure and Win 10, with it's regression to the
>>> Start Menu, is proof of that. Micro$oft should have consulted Apple!
>>> ;-)  OS market share can be misleading; http://tinyurl.com/qxs7vfu
>>> Looks like Apple aren't in the race but when you consider that Apple
>>> primarily sells hardware with a packaged OS, the chart shows they are
>>> selling a shitload of hardware. Microsoft, on the other hand, sell
>>> only software
>
> That's not true with games consoles or the surfaces.

The surface is still a very small percentage of total tablet sales. It 
will do better in the larger format hybrid versions I suspect.
>
> Or with phones now either since the Nokia takeover.

My sister has a Nokia phone with Windows on it. Sucks big time. She's 
lucky as it is pretty much her first mobile phone, no 'unlearning 
processes'.
>
>>> though they have tried to market hardware/software packages in the
>>> past with less than stellar success.
>
>> that's all true isn't it
>
> Their OS still completely dominates the laptop/desktop market.

I wonder for how much longer?
>
>>>> Fuck that. Owning an *Ipod* was enough to convince me that Apple
>>>> would never get another cent out of me.
>
> More fool you.

Indeed he is.
>
>> I had the same conclusion after buying an iPad. however, non apple
>> tablets weren't in the race when I bought it. different story now though
>
>>> So, you bought an iPod and, on that basis, you're now an expert on
>>> Mac hardware and software. Story of your life really! Sorry but you
>>> can't judge other Apple products based on your experience with an
>>> iPod. The most notable difference is that the iPod had a very
>>> minimalistic user interface, much like most MP3 players around at the
>>> time. You probably haven't realised it but most other Apple products
>>> go to the opposite end of the spectrum. In fact, smart phones seem to
>>> be killing of the iPod and other MP3 player variants these days.
>
> In fact the ipod touch is just an iphone with the phone missing.

The later ones, maybe. The early ones weren't even that much. Never had 
much interest in iPods anyway.
>
>>> After all, it seems all smart phones have MP3 and video player
>>> functionality these days.
>
> But apple doesn’t compete at the very low cost end
> of smartphone and never has with stupid phones.

Doesn't compete at the low end of desktops/laptops either. Thin margins 
and too many bit players at that end of the spectrum for Apple to be 
bothered with it.
>
>>> The iPod is occupying an ever diminishing niche these days.
>
>
>


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Xeno

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