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"felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message 
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> On 24-December-2015 9:35 PM, Xeno wrote:
>> On 24/12/2015 4:15 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>> On 24-December-2015 4:00 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>> felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote
>>>>> Xeno wrote
>>>>>> Noddy wrote
>>>>>>> D Walford wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>> My son has gone over to the dark side, where he works in the UK
>>>>>>>> everything is Mac and he has become a fan, after my latest computer
>>>>>>>> problem he's telling me to dump the PC and buy a Mac.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do, *if* you like paying
>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>> the nose for your hardware,
>>>>
>>>>>> Good quality hardware costs, just like hardware in the PC world.
>>>>
>>>>> I would never buy a Mac.
>>>>
>>>> I might, but only to develop iOS apps.
>>>>
>>>>> I like to 'fiddle' (I make/repair/upgrade my own PC's) and Apple
>>>>> actively discourage fiddling. they want users to pay a fortune to one
>>>>> of their accredited dealers to do what one could easily do themselves
>>>>> if it were a PC. but my very first personal computer was an Apple
>>>>> Mac, with 128k of RAM (no, that's not a misprint!) and no hard drive.
>>>>> but it was technologically streets ahead of IBM machines of the day,
>>>>> which were still using DOS. Win 3.1 hadn't been released of course,
>>>>> but when it was it was just a crude copy of the Mac OS, which was
>>>>> called 'finder' as I recall. However, as windows evolved I decided to
>>>>> make the change. the cost of Mac hardware and software, the low cost
>>>>> of PC software/hardware by comparison, and not to mention the
>>>>> plethora available, and of course the ease of upgrading PC's were the
>>>>> crucial factors.
>>>>
>>>>>>> want around 5% of the world's software made available to you
>>>>
>>>>>> Of course 95% of PC software is just duplicate functionality
>>>>>> software that matches the functionality of the 5% of the Mac 
>>>>>> software.
>>>>
>>>>>>> and want to put up with Apple's bullshit.
>>>>
>>>>>> What bullshit would that be Noddy?
>>>>
>>>>> how about the fact that you just have to guess most of time how to do
>>>>> things? iPads don't even come with an instruction book for example.
>>>>
>>>> They do have a proper electronic manual. It would
>>>> be completely stupid to have a printed one.
>>>
>>> what about someone who's never used one before. how are they supposed to
>>> know how to get the electronic manual? apple should include a 'quick
>>> start' guide, like most products have these days, and instructions on
>>
>> They do, it's an inbuilt tutorial.
>
> afaik I don't have it on my ipad.

You do, its only there initially after you start it for the first time.
It will return if you do a full factory restore.

>>> how to do basic stuff, and that there is an electronic manual available
>>> and how to get it. their failure to do this is just another indicator of
>>> their arrogance.
>>>
>> The built in tutorial takes you through all the necessary processes. That 
>> would include using 'gestures', more than enough to get you going I would 
>> suspect.
>>>>
>>>>> Apple tries to create the impression that it's a superior product for
>>>>> superior more intelligent users.
>>>>
>>>> It is a lot more intuitive than the android system.
>>>>
>>>> And quite a bit more restricted too in some areas.
>>>>
>>>> You can't for example have the phones auto answer
>>>> incoming calls because that can be used to snoop
>>>> on people who set their phone up that way.
>>>
>>> we're talking about computers
>>
>> Micro$oft would like you to merge computers, laptops, phones and tablets 
>> into a single conceptual package with, thus far, a singular lack of 
>> success.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> snobby ppl who drive European cars and sip lattes always buy Apple
>>>>> products. :)
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of those wont touch them.
>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac OS? Been a free upgrade for years. Even before the Mac OS
>>>>>> was free, it was very cheap, unlike Windows ripoff upgrades. It's
>>>>>> interesting to note that the Mac OS/X operating system has had the
>>>>>> same user interface since 2001, unlike Windows on PCs in the same
>>>>>> timeframe.
>>>>
>>>>> that IS a good feature
>>>>
>>>> And you are free to run Win on them too if you want.
>>>>
>>>>>> Apple realised that Phones/Tablets have different operational and
>>>>>> user interface requirements to Desktop/laptop computers hence we
>>>>>> have 2 Apple operating systems. OS/X for desktops/laptops and iOS
>>>>>> for phones/tablets.
>>>>
>>>>> no one in their right mind would buy a windows phone anyway..
>>>>
>>>> Quite a few do. Mainly so they have the same UI on the phone
>>>> and the laptop etc.
>>>
>>> I guess so
>>>
>> Apple worked this out a long time ago at the dawn of the tablet era. 
>> People want their devices to be compatible. They don't necessarily want 
>> them to 'work' the same way. This is something Micr$oft doesn't seem to 
>> find obvious. But then, it never has.
>>>>
>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>> In fact the ipod touch is just an iphone with the phone missing.
>>>>
>>>>>> After all, it seems all smart phones have MP3 and video player
>>>>>> functionality these days.
>>>>
>>>> But apple doesn’t compete at the very low cost end
>>>> of smartphone and never has with stupid phones.
>>>
>>> apple products are unjustifiably expensive
>>>
>> Might I suggest you look at the innards of a Mac. They leave most of the 
>> pack behind with respect to quality. You need to remember, Apple aren't 
>> selling computers at the low end of the market but Acer, Asus, Toshiba 
>> and many other brands do. These same brands also sell into the upper 
>> market areas alongside Apple computer products. When you look at the 
>> pricepoints of these products, they are very similar in price and 
>> performance but the Mac still pips them on build quality and design. I've 
>> pulled a few iMacs apart in my time, and Mac desktops as well, and the 
>> build quality and design is extremely good.
 

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