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On 24-December-2015 4:00 PM, Rod Speed wrote:

> felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote
>> Xeno wrote
>>> Noddy wrote
>>>> D Walford wrote
>
>>>>> My son has gone over to the dark side, where he works in the UK
>>>>> everything is Mac and he has become a fan, after my latest computer
>>>>> problem he's telling me to dump the PC and buy a Mac.
>
>>>> Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do, *if* you like paying 
>>>> through
>>>> the nose for your hardware,
>
>>> Good quality hardware costs, just like hardware in the PC world.
>
>> I would never buy a Mac.
>
> I might, but only to develop iOS apps.
>
>> I like to 'fiddle' (I make/repair/upgrade my own PC's) and Apple 
>> actively discourage fiddling. they want users to pay a fortune to one 
>> of their accredited dealers to do what one could easily do themselves 
>> if it were a PC. but my very first personal computer was an Apple 
>> Mac, with 128k of RAM (no, that's not a misprint!) and no hard drive. 
>> but it was technologically streets ahead of IBM machines of the day, 
>> which were still using DOS. Win 3.1 hadn't been released of course, 
>> but when it was it was just a crude copy of the Mac OS, which was 
>> called 'finder' as I recall. However, as windows evolved I decided to 
>> make the change. the cost of Mac hardware and software, the low cost 
>> of PC software/hardware by comparison, and not to mention the 
>> plethora available, and of course the ease of upgrading PC's were the 
>> crucial factors.
>
>>>> want around 5% of the world's software made available to you
>
>>> Of course 95% of PC software is just duplicate functionality 
>>> software that matches the functionality of the 5% of the Mac software.
>
>>>> and want to put up with Apple's bullshit.
>
>>> What bullshit would that be Noddy?
>
>> how about the fact that you just have to guess most of time how to do 
>> things? iPads don't even come with an instruction book for example.
>
> They do have a proper electronic manual. It would
> be completely stupid to have a printed one.

what about someone who's never used one before. how are they supposed to 
know how to get the electronic manual? apple should include a 'quick 
start' guide, like most products have these days, and instructions on 
how to do basic stuff, and that there is an electronic manual available 
and how to get it. their failure to do this is just another indicator of 
their arrogance.

>
>> Apple tries to create the impression that it's a superior product for 
>> superior more intelligent users.
>
> It is a lot more intuitive than the android system.
>
> And quite a bit more restricted too in some areas.
>
> You can't for example have the phones auto answer
> incoming calls because that can be used to snoop
> on people who set their phone up that way.

we're talking about computers

>
>> snobby ppl who drive European cars and sip lattes always buy Apple 
>> products. :)
>
> Plenty of those wont touch them.
>
>>> The Mac OS? Been a free upgrade for years. Even before the Mac OS 
>>> was free, it was very cheap, unlike Windows ripoff upgrades. It's 
>>> interesting to note that the Mac OS/X operating system has had the 
>>> same user interface since 2001, unlike Windows on PCs in the same 
>>> timeframe.
>
>> that IS a good feature
>
> And you are free to run Win on them too if you want.
>
>>> Apple realised that Phones/Tablets have different operational and 
>>> user interface requirements to Desktop/laptop computers hence we 
>>> have 2 Apple operating systems. OS/X for desktops/laptops and iOS 
>>> for phones/tablets.
>
>> no one in their right mind would buy a windows phone anyway..
>
> Quite a few do. Mainly so they have the same UI on the phone
> and the laptop etc.

I guess so

>
>>> This is not surprising from a company like Apple who seemed to 
>>> understand the difference and were very successful in the tablet and 
>>> phone market. So successful was Apple that iPhone and Mac sales 
>>> continue to grow, even with a rise in the number of competitors into 
>>> the marketplace.
>
>>> The app store? Get used to it, it's a proven success. So much so 
>>> that, belatedly, Micro$oft is attempting to emulate the success. I 
>>> wish them luck as their success rate at predicting trends and 
>>> capitalising on them have seen a singular lack of success in many 
>>> areas.
>
> They have done fine with games consoles, Apple hasn’t.
>
>>> Attempts at making Windows on desktops operate like a tablet have 
>>> been a resounding failure and Win 10, with it's regression to the 
>>> Start Menu, is proof of that. Micro$oft should have consulted 
>>> Apple!  ;-)  OS market share can be misleading; 
>>> http://tinyurl.com/qxs7vfu   Looks like Apple aren't in the race but 
>>> when you consider that Apple primarily sells hardware with a 
>>> packaged OS, the chart shows they are selling a shitload of 
>>> hardware. Microsoft, on the other hand, sell only software
>
> That's not true with games consoles or the surfaces.
>
> Or with phones now either since the Nokia takeover.
>
>>> though they have tried to market hardware/software packages in the 
>>> past with less than stellar success.
>
>> that's all true isn't it
>
> Their OS still completely dominates the laptop/desktop market.
>
>>>> Fuck that. Owning an *Ipod* was enough to convince me that Apple 
>>>> would never get another cent out of me.
>
> More fool you.
>
>> I had the same conclusion after buying an iPad. however, non apple 
>> tablets weren't in the race when I bought it. different story now though
>
>>> So, you bought an iPod and, on that basis, you're now an expert on 
>>> Mac hardware and software. Story of your life really! Sorry but you 
>>> can't judge other Apple products based on your experience with an 
>>> iPod. The most notable difference is that the iPod had a very 
>>> minimalistic user interface, much like most MP3 players around at 
>>> the time. You probably haven't realised it but most other Apple 
>>> products go to the opposite end of the spectrum. In fact, smart 
>>> phones seem to be killing of the iPod and other MP3 player variants 
>>> these days.
>
> In fact the ipod touch is just an iphone with the phone missing.
>
>>> After all, it seems all smart phones have MP3 and video player 
>>> functionality these days.
>
> But apple doesn’t compete at the very low cost end
> of smartphone and never has with stupid phones.

apple products are unjustifiably expensive


>
>>> The iPod is occupying an ever diminishing niche these days.
>
>
>


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rgds,

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