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On 27-December-2015 5:34 AM, Rod Speed wrote:
>
>
> "felix_unger" <me@nothere.biz> wrote in message 
> news:de73b5Fre7eU2@mid.individual.net...
>> On 24-December-2015 9:35 PM, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 24/12/2015 4:15 PM, felix_unger wrote:
>>>> On 24-December-2015 4:00 PM, Rod Speed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> felix_unger <me@nothere.biz> wrote
>>>>>> Xeno wrote
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote
>>>>>>>> D Walford wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> My son has gone over to the dark side, where he works in the UK
>>>>>>>>> everything is Mac and he has become a fan, after my latest 
>>>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>>> problem he's telling me to dump the PC and buy a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Which is a perfectly sensible thing to do, *if* you like paying
>>>>>>>> through
>>>>>>>> the nose for your hardware,
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good quality hardware costs, just like hardware in the PC world.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would never buy a Mac.
>>>>>
>>>>> I might, but only to develop iOS apps.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I like to 'fiddle' (I make/repair/upgrade my own PC's) and Apple
>>>>>> actively discourage fiddling. they want users to pay a fortune to 
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> of their accredited dealers to do what one could easily do 
>>>>>> themselves
>>>>>> if it were a PC. but my very first personal computer was an Apple
>>>>>> Mac, with 128k of RAM (no, that's not a misprint!) and no hard 
>>>>>> drive.
>>>>>> but it was technologically streets ahead of IBM machines of the day,
>>>>>> which were still using DOS. Win 3.1 hadn't been released of course,
>>>>>> but when it was it was just a crude copy of the Mac OS, which was
>>>>>> called 'finder' as I recall. However, as windows evolved I 
>>>>>> decided to
>>>>>> make the change. the cost of Mac hardware and software, the low cost
>>>>>> of PC software/hardware by comparison, and not to mention the
>>>>>> plethora available, and of course the ease of upgrading PC's were 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> crucial factors.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> want around 5% of the world's software made available to you
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Of course 95% of PC software is just duplicate functionality
>>>>>>> software that matches the functionality of the 5% of the Mac 
>>>>>>> software.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and want to put up with Apple's bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What bullshit would that be Noddy?
>>>>>
>>>>>> how about the fact that you just have to guess most of time how 
>>>>>> to do
>>>>>> things? iPads don't even come with an instruction book for example.
>>>>>
>>>>> They do have a proper electronic manual. It would
>>>>> be completely stupid to have a printed one.
>>>>
>>>> what about someone who's never used one before. how are they 
>>>> supposed to
>>>> know how to get the electronic manual? apple should include a 'quick
>>>> start' guide, like most products have these days, and instructions on
>>>
>>> They do, it's an inbuilt tutorial.
>>
>> afaik I don't have it on my ipad.
>
> You do, its only there initially after you start it for the first time.
> It will return if you do a full factory restore.

ok

>
>>>> how to do basic stuff, and that there is an electronic manual 
>>>> available
>>>> and how to get it. their failure to do this is just another 
>>>> indicator of
>>>> their arrogance.
>>>>
>>> The built in tutorial takes you through all the necessary processes. 
>>> That would include using 'gestures', more than enough to get you 
>>> going I would suspect.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Apple tries to create the impression that it's a superior product 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> superior more intelligent users.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is a lot more intuitive than the android system.
>>>>>
>>>>> And quite a bit more restricted too in some areas.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can't for example have the phones auto answer
>>>>> incoming calls because that can be used to snoop
>>>>> on people who set their phone up that way.
>>>>
>>>> we're talking about computers
>>>
>>> Micro$oft would like you to merge computers, laptops, phones and 
>>> tablets into a single conceptual package with, thus far, a singular 
>>> lack of success.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> snobby ppl who drive European cars and sip lattes always buy Apple
>>>>>> products. :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Plenty of those wont touch them.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Mac OS? Been a free upgrade for years. Even before the Mac OS
>>>>>>> was free, it was very cheap, unlike Windows ripoff upgrades. It's
>>>>>>> interesting to note that the Mac OS/X operating system has had the
>>>>>>> same user interface since 2001, unlike Windows on PCs in the same
>>>>>>> timeframe.
>>>>>
>>>>>> that IS a good feature
>>>>>
>>>>> And you are free to run Win on them too if you want.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apple realised that Phones/Tablets have different operational and
>>>>>>> user interface requirements to Desktop/laptop computers hence we
>>>>>>> have 2 Apple operating systems. OS/X for desktops/laptops and iOS
>>>>>>> for phones/tablets.
>>>>>
>>>>>> no one in their right mind would buy a windows phone anyway..
>>>>>
>>>>> Quite a few do. Mainly so they have the same UI on the phone
>>>>> and the laptop etc.
>>>>
>>>> I guess so
>>>>
>>> Apple worked this out a long time ago at the dawn of the tablet era. 
>>> People want their devices to be compatible. They don't necessarily 
>>> want them to 'work' the same way. This is something Micr$oft doesn't 
>>> seem to find obvious. But then, it never has.
>>>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact the ipod touch is just an iphone with the phone missing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> After all, it seems all smart phones have MP3 and video player
>>>>>>> functionality these days.
>>>>>
>>>>> But apple doesn’t compete at the very low cost end
>>>>> of smartphone and never has with stupid phones.
>>>>
>>>> apple products are unjustifiably expensive
>>>>
>>> Might I suggest you look at the innards of a Mac. They leave most of 
>>> the pack behind with respect to quality. You need to remember, Apple 
>>> aren't selling computers at the low end of the market but Acer, 
>>> Asus, Toshiba and many other brands do. These same brands also sell 
>>> into the upper market areas alongside Apple computer products. When 
>>> you look at the pricepoints of these products, they are very similar 
>>> in price and performance but the Mac still pips them on build 
>>> quality and design. I've pulled a few iMacs apart in my time, and 
>>> Mac desktops as well, and the build quality and design is extremely 
>>> good.
>
>


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