Re: energy and mass

From	Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
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On 3/19/26 04:44, Bill Sloman wrote:
> On 18/03/2026 3:26 am, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
>> On 3/17/26 14:12, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>> [...]
>>> Sane science is concentrating on questions
>>> like "what do real clocks indicate". [...]
>>
>> What *is* a real clock? Does one even exist?
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele%E2%80%93Keating_experiment
> 
> They existed in 1971 and I'm pretty sure that there are still a few 
> around now. Apparently the Global Positioning Satellites all have at 
> least one.
> 
> Maciej Woźniak is just as sceptical as you are, if a deranged mind can 
> actually be sceptical.
> 

I'm not asking you, I'm asking Maciej. He seems to believe there
exists some sort of master clock that reigns the universe.

Anyway, I've decided he's not worth trying to reason with.

Jeroen Belleman

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  Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-11 10:54 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 19:04 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:31 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:37 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100
  Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:06 +1100
    Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
    Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:26 +0100
      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 15:08 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:39 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:37 +1100
            Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:06 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:42 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 23:34 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 00:05 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 14:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-20 04:21 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 10:32 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 09:10 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 21:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 09:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 09:49 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-26 10:26 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-27 09:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-25 07:20 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-21 11:59 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:16 +1100
              Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 00:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 14:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:57 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 07:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:55 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:43 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 17:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:28 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:35 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:08 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:57 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:02 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 16:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 05:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 20:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:42 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:56 -0700
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:52 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:09 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:35 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:24 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 14:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:25 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 23:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 15:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:39 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:49 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 07:50 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:18 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:34 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:02 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 01:16 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 22:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:55 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-20 04:28 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:42 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 07:35 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-22 10:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:24 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-23 08:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:25 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:07 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:56 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-24 10:20 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:46 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 19:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 12:44 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 21:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 14:12 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-24 23:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 19:55 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-25 09:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-25 07:25 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-26 02:25 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:10 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-26 08:47 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-25 13:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 13:45 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 17:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:13 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 08:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 21:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-26 14:29 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-27 02:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 01:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-20 12:57 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:53 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-22 10:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:38 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-23 08:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:45 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:16 -0700
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-22 21:23 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 14:51 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 16:54 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 12:05 -0700
              Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
      Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:34 +1100
        Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:18 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 02:58 -0700
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:41 +1100

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