Re: energy and mass

Subject	Re: energy and mass
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
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From	Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com>
Date	2026-03-26 10:26 -0700
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On 03/26/2026 09:49 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
> On 03/26/2026 09:33 AM, Ross Finlayson wrote:
>> On 03/26/2026 08:03 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On 27/03/2026 12:33 am, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>> Am Mittwoch000025, 25.03.2026 um 11:31 schrieb Bill Sloman: ...
>>>>>>> Nobody can see all the way down the abstraction stack, not
>>>>>>> even physicists. They don't know where the universe came from
>>>>>>> or how it actually works.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, I actually can (at least I've tried).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, have a look at my 'book':
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/
>>>>>> d/1Ur3_giuk2l439fxUa8QHX4wTDxBEaM6lOlgVUa0cFU4/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> Don't bother.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Both engineers and physicists work with whatever they can
>>>>>>> get.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the borders are thin between both realms.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But physics is actually a natural science and engineers are
>>>>>> mainly concerned with what they have built themselves.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The thing I like about desiging electronics is the many
>>>>>>> things it involves, and the fact that we can be done in
>>>>>>> months and move on to something else that's interesting.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only a small part of engineering is dealing with electronics.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Engineers exist in several 'flavors', which range from building
>>>>>>  bridges to chemistry. ...
>>>>>
>>>>> And you don't know much about any of them.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sure, I have never build a bridge.
>>>>
>>>> But I know a few things about electronics and chemistry.
>>>>
>>>> My specific 'flavour' is called 'economics engineering'.
>>>>
>>>> It is kind of mixture of economics and building machines.
>>>>
>>>> That is quite difficult and not a very common topic in other
>>>> countries.
>>>>
>>>> (It's among the 'crown jewels' of German education.)
>>>
>>> My wife was a director of a Max Planck Institute. I do know a bit
>>> about German education, and value engineering isn't one of it's crown
>>> jewels.
>>>
>>> If you want to build a machine more cheaply, you don't study it's
>>> economics, you study what it does and work out a way to do that
>>> differently with a different, cheaper and faster machine.
>>>
>>> I'm aware that Fraunhofer Institutes tend to be more applied than Max
>>>  Planck Institutes, but I doubt that you work for any of them
>>> either.
>>>
>>
>> Here the "value engineering" is much inspired by
>> the "Miles Value Foundation", with regards to
>> Miles and Deming and so on.
>>
>> https://www.valuefoundation.org/
>>
>> Value, Quality, ....
>>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_D._Miles
>>
>> Deming and Miles are considered among the
>> "four founders" of the efforts as re-built
>> the economy of Japan since WWII.
>>
>> That used to be a common sort of story while
>> though it seems a bit lost on the modern sorts
>> of the anarcho-crapitalist who don't know their
>> roots and where their food came from.
>>
>>
>> I know a guy who knows Miles who knows Deming, ....
>>
>>
>> The "value engineering" used to be a central
>> tenet of the "operations research" of the
>> "United States Government".
>>
>>
>
> Here the idea of "value engineering" is
> quite distinct from the "cheapness" or the
> "planned obsolescence", and of course not
> at all about "the values of morals and ethics
> their engineering", instead it's as of an aspect
> of Value and Quality the values that contribute
> to quality, and where long lifetime is a value itself.
>
> The "value engineering" is not
> "the cheapo-nomics of anarcho-crapitalism".
>
>
> The "value engineering" was simply a primary analysis
> of cost drivers, which over the lifetime engage
> both parsimony and fullness and the quality.
>
> The "value engineering" is not "disposable society".
>
> The "value engineering" basically used to
> keep costs of government services in check.
>
>
> The economist Samuelson's "total utility function"
> also includes matters of aesthetics and ecology,
> not just the payout of the greed-grab.
>
>

Talking about "Planck scale" and "Planck regime" and the 
"Trans-Planckian", ....

Logos 2000: infinitary kinematics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3pqvg_Fa8&list=PLb7rLSBiE7F795DGcwSvwHj-GEbdhPJNe&index=13

37:20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i3pqvg_Fa8&t=2240

The location of the Sun behind my head demonstrates good examples
of the "large Fresnel" or "occult Fresnel" theory of light in effect.


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            Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-25 09:10 +0100
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