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Re: energy and mass

From Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject Re: energy and mass
Date 2026-03-23 21:15 +1100
Organization A noiseless patient Spider
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On 23/03/2026 5:05 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> On 3/23/2026 5:19 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 23/03/2026 6:35 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>> On 3/22/2026 4:47 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> On 22/03/2026 9:15 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>> On 3/22/2026 11:03 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 22/03/2026 4:28 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/22/2026 6:04 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 22/03/2026 5:47 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2026 7:19 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lorentzian and gravitational time dilation are physical 
>>>>>>>>>>>> processes, 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they're delusions of your absurd religion.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Far from it. Quite a lot of high energy physics wouldn't make 
>>>>>>>>>> sense if time dilation wasn't happening.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Of course. And it isn't happening.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak has convinced himself of this. He hasn't convinced 
>>>>>> any actual physicists, hasn't presented any actual arguments that 
>>>>>> might have worked on them, and seems to think that his simple 
>>>>>> assertion is all the proof he needs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You think that time dilation doesn't happen? That's simple 
>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snipped the usual abuse>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The stupid scum here is you. "What do clock really indicate" is 
>>>>>>>> just the first line in well rehearsed theatrical performance 
>>>>>>>> that you seem to enjoy putting on, even though you don't 
>>>>>>>> understand a word of it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And what we observe in GPS is a  very classical clock error.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's a physical effect, rather than any kind of "error".
>>>>>> And he doesn't tell us how the "error" might have arisen.
>>>>>
>>>>> That's how it looks to Bill Sloman. He's wrong, but he has convinced
>>>>> himself that he isn't, and doesn't realise quite how stupid this makes
>>>>> him look.
>>>>> Fortunately, he is too dumb to keep his lies consistent and
>>>>> sometimes he admits it's an error.
>>>>
>>>> Try to invent your own insults. And you still haven't told us how 
>>>> your "very classical clock error" might have arisen, or why you 
>>>> think that it is "very classical", whatever that might mean.
>>>
>>> And I haven't told you my mother's name, too.
>>> And you haven't told me how you "falsificate"
>>> my hypothesis. By chanting "whoever disagree
>>> with me is a stupid uneducated crank", I guess.
>>
>> My posts tend to include links to wikipedia pages. Yours don't.
> 
> 
> Oh, I can change that easily.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Hawke
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
> Satisfied?

Perfectly. You missed the point I was making - which is that I'm 
educated enough to know that there is published material supporting the 
points I want to make, and I know how to find the wikipedia pages that 
link to it. I didn't make it all that explicitly in the hope of 
eliciting the reaction you produced.

You missed that - and thought that posting two totally irrelevant 
wikipedia pages would get you off the hook.

It was a very gratifying response.

>> You actually are a stupid uneducated crank
> 
> I predicted correctly.

You really are a stupid uneducated crank, and get told this often enough 
to predict that people will point this out. This is learning by 
experience rather than any kind of exhibition of insight. If you had any 
insight you might have come to realise that we are right, but if you had 
that much insight you might well have got an education.

>>> Still, even such a disgusting piece of lying
>>> shit can't lie non stop, so you sometimes admit
>>> that GPS clocks are corrected for an error.
>>
>> Actually I don't. 
>
>  >>>> No, the trash here is you. You know perfectly well that
>  >>>> both of your shits predict no clock errors to correct.
>  >>
>  >>> GPs corrects the "errors", and works.
>  >
>  >> And The relativity theory Einstein is not predicting any errors.

It's not predicting errors, it is predicting predictable differences 
between clocks travelling at different speeds and in different 
gravitational fields. You like calling the differences "errors" but 
that's an abuse of the word.

>  > You dug up his 1905 Special Relativity paper, which quite explicitly
>  > does.

It predicts a difference between a clock which has stayed put, and a 
matching clock which has travelled away at an appreciable fraction of 
the speed of light and travelled back again at a similar sort of speed.

You have a passion for calling this difference an "error".

> Oh yes,  you do. Sorry, poor stupid scum.

You are dumb enough to think that articulating your self-serving 
misconceptions is worth the effort.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
  Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:04 +0100
    Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:27 +1100
      Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:50 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:19 +1100
          Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:48 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:35 +1100
              Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:55 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 13:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 02:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:18 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 05:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 17:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:07 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:09 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:18 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:29 +0100
                That stupid piece of shit Bill Sloman is admitting it is lying Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 11:37 +0100
      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 16:24 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 16:49 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:44 +1100
            Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:17 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 14:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:06 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 06:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 14:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 01:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:19 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:29 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 17:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 11:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-19 12:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 06:56 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:00 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 00:49 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 16:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:23 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:00 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:55 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 17:00 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 05:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 19:47 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 14:21 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 22:51 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:03 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 10:27 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:43 -0700
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-21 21:58 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 17:45 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 18:36 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 19:21 -0700
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                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:36 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:15 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:26 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 09:45 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 10:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-23 13:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:01 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 11:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 20:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 15:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 07:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 13:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 23:16 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 16:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:34 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 19:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 09:27 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-24 13:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:28 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 17:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:42 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 10:53 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 05:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:53 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 20:55 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 07:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-24 08:44 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:28 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:14 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 19:04 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:31 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:37 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
        Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
          Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
            Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
  Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
    Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100

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