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On 25/03/2026 6:46 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
> Am Sonntag000022, 22.03.2026 um 16:13 schrieb john larkin:
>> On Sun, 22 Mar 2026 10:45:30 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Am Samstag000021, 21.03.2026 um 15:35 schrieb john larkin:
>>>> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 09:42:20 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Am Freitag000020, 20.03.2026 um 12:28 schrieb john larkin:
>>>>>> On Fri, 20 Mar 2026 10:55:41 +0100, Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Donnerstag000019, 19.03.2026 um 15:16 schrieb Bill Sloman:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To called Germans 'an ethnic group' is actually Nazism at it's 
>>>>>>>>> best.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Except that wasn't what was going on. The people who could be 
>>>>>>>> identified
>>>>>>>> as "German" were looked over on a case-by-case basis to assess 
>>>>>>>> whether
>>>>>>>> they'd be likely to support the German war machine, and a fairly 
>>>>>>>> small
>>>>>>>> proportion of them were interned. We couldn't sequence human genome
>>>>>>>> until about 2003, and it isn't all that helpful. I've had it 
>>>>>>>> done and
>>>>>>>> while my ancestors mostly came from England one of my great-
>>>>>>>> grandmothers, while born in England, was a member of a family 
>>>>>>>> who had
>>>>>>>> come over from Strasbourg, so I'm one eighth Rhinelander (and it 
>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>> show up clearly in my genome).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a little other topic, which isn't discussed that often 
>>>>>>> and that
>>>>>>> was the fate of the German POWs in US-camps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They were housed, kept warm, had clean clothes and decent beds, had
>>>>>> medical care, had books and movies, sometimes had paying jobs, had 
>>>>>> far
>>>>>> better food than German soldiers.
>>>>>>
>>>>> This is a famous picture of one of the US POW-Camps in Germany:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/Remagen_enclosure.jpg/500px-Remagen_enclosure.jpg
>>>>>
>>>>> As I see it, there were no tents, no beds, no heating and no fresh 
>>>>> clothes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Instead the German soldiers had to sit on bare ground with no shelter
>>>>> what ever.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And that enormous camp was just one of many US-camps.
>>>>
>>>> When entire divisions or entire armies surrender, it takes a while to
>>>> sort things out.
>>>
>>> Sure.
>>>
>>> The USA alone captured more then four million German soldiers.
>>>
>>> So: what was their fate?
>>>
>>> I personally have never heard of any ships coming from the states and
>>> releasing large amounts of POWs to German soil (even if I was born in
>>> Hamburg).
>>>
>>> The Soviets did, but only 10% and only in 1955.
>>>
>>> That was celebrated and published in all German papers.
>>>
>>> But what have they done with German POWs in the USA?
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And there is almost no information available about the further fate of
>>>>> these inmates.
>>>>>
>>>>> About soviet camps it is known, that hardly 10% of inmates survived.
>>>>>
>>>>> But at least those 10% returned home in the mid 1950th.
>>>>>
>>>>> But what happened to the enormous number of POWs in US-camps?
>>>>
>>>> Some married American women.
>>>
>>> Well, possibly. But they needed to be released from the camps, before
>>> they could look for american brides.
>>
>> Not always. Many POWs worked on farms, for pay, worked and ate with
>> the often-female farmers whose men were away or dead.
>>
>> Things happened.
> 
> Sure, that was certainly possible.
> 
> But I wasn't talking about rare exceptions, but about the mass of the 4 
> million POWs.
> 
> If they were actually released, the USA would most likely shipped them 
> back to Germany after some years in prison.

You've been told repeatedly what did happen, based on the wikipedia 
entry on the subject. It looks as if only 400,000 German POWs got 
shipped to the US, and they were all shipped back to Europe in 1946 - 
not to Germany but to the UK and France where they were employed as 
labourers for three years.
> 
> But such vessels, of say 1000 POWs each, should have reached a German port.

None seem to have been sent directly back to Germany.

> But apparently these 4000 boats didn't arrive in Germany.

Only about 400,000 of the German POW's - those captured earlier in WW2 - 
got shipped to the US. The 3,600,000 captured at the end of WW2 stayed 
in Europe, as in France and the UK

> So, possibly the US forces shipped the POWs to some other destination 
> and just forgot to tell the Germans, where that was.

Not possibly - actually - and they probably did tell the German 
authorities what they were doing, but your rather pathetic investigative 
skills haven't yet come across this information.

> At least in my hometown Hamburg (which has the largest harbour in 
> Germany) there were no 4000 vessels seen with thousands of released POWs.

Which is exactly what easily accessible information would lead anyody 
sensible to expect.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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