Re: energy and mass

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-24 19:04 +1100
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On 24/03/2026 5:52 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> On 3/24/2026 7:34 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 24/03/2026 2:01 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>> On 3/23/2026 1:16 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> On 23/03/2026 11:05 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>> On 3/23/2026 11:15 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/03/2026 5:05 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/23/2026 5:19 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/03/2026 6:35 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2026 4:47 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/03/2026 9:15 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2026 11:03 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/03/2026 4:28 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/22/2026 6:04 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/03/2026 5:47 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/21/2026 7:19 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lorentzian and gravitational time dilation are 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> physical processes, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, they're delusions of your absurd religion.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Far from it. Quite a lot of high energy physics wouldn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sense if time dilation wasn't happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course. And it isn't happening.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maciej Woźniak has convinced himself of this. He hasn't 
>>>>>>>>>>>> convinced any actual physicists, hasn't presented any actual 
>>>>>>>>>>>> arguments that might have worked on them, and seems to think 
>>>>>>>>>>>> that his simple assertion is all the proof he needs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You think that time dilation doesn't happen? That's simple 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> <snipped the usual abuse>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The stupid scum here is you. "What do clock really 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> indicate" is just the first line in well rehearsed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> theatrical performance that you seem to enjoy putting on, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even though you don't understand a word of it
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And what we observe in GPS is a  very classical clock 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> error.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's a physical effect, rather than any kind of "error".
>>>>>>>>>>>> And he doesn't tell us how the "error" might have arisen.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's how it looks to Bill Sloman. He's wrong, but he has 
>>>>>>>>>>> convinced
>>>>>>>>>>> himself that he isn't, and doesn't realise quite how stupid 
>>>>>>>>>>> this makes
>>>>>>>>>>> him look.
>>>>>>>>>>> Fortunately, he is too dumb to keep his lies consistent and
>>>>>>>>>>> sometimes he admits it's an error.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Try to invent your own insults. And you still haven't told us 
>>>>>>>>>> how your "very classical clock error" might have arisen, or 
>>>>>>>>>> why you think that it is "very classical", whatever that might 
>>>>>>>>>> mean.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And I haven't told you my mother's name, too.
>>>>>>>>> And you haven't told me how you "falsificate"
>>>>>>>>> my hypothesis. By chanting "whoever disagree
>>>>>>>>> with me is a stupid uneducated crank", I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My posts tend to include links to wikipedia pages. Yours don't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, I can change that easily.
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethan_Hawke
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lepanto
>>>>>>> Satisfied?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Perfectly. You missed the point I was making - which is that I'm 
>>>>>> educated enough to know that there is published material 
>>>>>> supporting the points I want to make, and I know how to find the 
>>>>>> wikipedia pages that link to it. I didn't make it all that 
>>>>>> explicitly in the hope of eliciting the reaction you produced.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You missed that - and thought that posting two totally irrelevant 
>>>>>> wikipedia pages would get you off the hook.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a very gratifying response.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You actually are a stupid uneducated crank
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I predicted correctly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You really are a stupid uneducated crank, and get told this often 
>>>>>> enough to predict that people will point this out.
>>>>>
>>>>> You, on the other hand, are a stupid uneducated
>>>>> religious maniac, so apart of screaming that whoever
>>>>> is disagreeing with you is a stupid uneducated crank
>>>>> and casting other shit on him you're able to do
>>>>> nothing.
>>>>
>>>> You may find it comforting to think that. I've just shown you up a 
>>>> dim twit. I don't usually respond to people I disagree with by 
>>>> calling them stupid uneducated cranks - few of them are and most of 
>>>> that small group shows signs of being willing to get better educated 
>>>> if you talk to them nicely. 
>>
>>
>>> "To few" or "usually"?
>>
>> Your English language skills aren't as good as the might be.
>>
>>> Still unable to lie consistently.
>>
>> You do seem to be able read practically everything in way that lets 
>> you believe you are being lied to. 
> 
>  >>
>  >>  >>>> No, the trash here is you. You know perfectly well that
>  >>  >>>> both of your shits predict no clock errors to correct.
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>> GPs corrects the "errors", and works.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >> And The relativity theory Einstein is not predicting any errors.
>  >>  > You dug up his 1905 Special Relativity paper, which quite explicitly
>  >>  > does.
>  
>  >>  >>>> No, the trash here is you. You know perfectly well that
>  >>  >>>> both of your shits predict no clock errors to correct.

Special and general relativity both predict that clocks that have been 
exposed to different environments will record different elapsed times.

The differences aren't a errors - a result that reflects a defect in one 
or other of the clocks - but rather the result of the way the world works.
You are perfectly entitled to dislike the way the world works, but 
ignoring it doesn't do you any good.

>  >>  >>> GPs corrects the "errors", and works.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >> And The relativity theory Einstein is not predicting any errors. 
>  >
>  > It's not predicting errors,

It's predicting differences, which aren't actually errors.
> 
> Oh, how can I see a lie in the above? A knight
> of The Shit of Einstein  would never lie.

The problem is that you want to call the differences in the observed 
results "errors" which does suggest that something has gone wrong, and 
needs to be fixed. Reality isn't quite a simple as we'd like it to be 
and the global positioning system recognises this and corrects for the 
way the world actually works.

Pointing this out isn't in any way lying. Your denial of reality makes 
you want to claim that all this is lies and deception, and you are 
stupid enough to think that this is worth doing. This means that you are 
insane, but unlikely to become dangerously insane.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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