Re: energy and mass

From	Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity, sci.electronics.design
Subject	Re: energy and mass
Date	2026-03-21 15:13 +1100
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On 21/03/2026 2:25 am, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
> On 3/20/2026 2:49 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 20/03/2026 8:00 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>> On 3/20/2026 8:35 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>> On 20/03/2026 4:56 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote:
>>>>> On 3/20/2026 6:51 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/03/2026 11:39 pm, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>> Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 19.03.26 um 11:48 schrieb J. J. Lodder:
>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 19/03/2026 12:41 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 2:19 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 9:28 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 10:50 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 6:03 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/18/2026 5:12 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 6:36 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 8:26 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 3:34 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 5:06 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/03/2026 12:12 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 12:47 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 6:17 pm, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/17/2026 7:44 AM, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/03/2026 2:49 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/16/2026 4:24 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16/03/2026 9:04 am, Maciej Wo?niak wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/15/2026 9:57 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 14/03/2026 8:15 pm, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am Freitag000013, 13.03.2026 um 17:17 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> schrieb Bill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sloman:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You seem to think that it means that if reality is more 
>>>>>>>>>> complicated than
>>>>>>>>>> you like, you should ignore the complications.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In reality one should always opt for an explanation in terms 
>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>> fewest possible causes, factors, or variables. That's exactly 
>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>> relativity does. Observation had established that the simple 
>>>>>>>>>> Newtonian
>>>>>>>>>> rules left some observations unexplained, and special and general
>>>>>>>>>> relativity provided a more complicated explanation that did 
>>>>>>>>>> include the
>>>>>>>>>> aberrant observations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler"
>>>>>>>>> Not literally Albert Einstein, but an adequate paraphrase of 
>>>>>>>>> what he
>>>>>>>>> really said.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As for Ockham, his dictum should be taken as an heuristic 
>>>>>>>>> principle,
>>>>>>>>> and no more than that,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a pile of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Occam, verbatim: "Entia non sunt complicanda praeter necessitatem!"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Als gebildeter Mensch kann man das übersetzen.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, but what is 'necessary'?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If your theory won't fit the observations without it, it's necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Necessary indeed, but for your theory only, poor stupid
>>>>> scum.
>>>>
>>>> William of Occam has been dead for 679 years. He certainly wasn't 
>>>> talking about any theory that I might have had.
>>>
>>> Right. His "necessary" for sure doesn't mean
>>> "necessary for The Shit of Einstein to
>>> win some worshipers and for Bill Sloman
>>> to feel understanding, enlightened and
>>> special".
>>
>> I'm fairly clearly more enlightened than you are,

Restoring the text you chopped.

 >> but that's like being taller than dwarf. It certainly doesn't make 
me fell special.
> 
> Delusion, as usual.
> But anyway - his "necessary" for sure doesn't mean
> "necessary for The Shit of Einstein to
> win some worshipers and for Bill Sloman
> to feel understanding, enlightened and
> special".

The delusion here is that it was worth your trouble to go i  for such 
and obvious bit of text-chopping. You've clearly got no idea how foolish 
this makes you look.

>>> There is no reason to believe he would consider your zillions of local
>>> times necessary, particularly when GPS
>>> works fine with only one.
>>
>> You really don't understand how GPS works, do you.
> 
> I do. A brainwashed religious maniac asserting
> the opposite mean nothing.

Equally trues of the assertions of the demented half-wit you go to the 
trouble demonstrating yourself to be.

>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
>>
>> There are at least 24 satellites in orbit around the earth - four need 
>> to be visible to a GPS receiver on the ground, and at least six were 
>> guaranteed in the original scheme. The minimal 24 has now been bumped 
>> up to 31 so nine are now visible to any receiver on the earth's surface.
>>
>> "Each GPS satellite continually broadcasts a signal (carrier wave with 
>> modulation) that includes:
>>
>>      A pseudorandom code (sequence of ones and zeros) that is known to 
>> the receiver. By time-aligning a receiver-generated version and the 
>> receiver-measured version of the code, the time of arrival (TOA) of a 
>> defined point in the code sequence, called an epoch, can be found in 
>> the receiver clock time scale
>>      A message that includes the time of transmission (TOT) of the 
>> code epoch (in GPS time scale) and the satellite position at that time."
>>
>> The time base for the transmission of the pseudorandpm sequences is 
>> generated an atomic clock carried in each satellite, which is 
>> corrected for relativistic effects
> 
> It is corrected, but not for any relativistic effects.

So what what effects is it being corrected for? And what makes them 
predictable enough to be easily corrected?

> The writer was simply lied to by scum like you.

So you are a member of the illuminati who has access to higher 
knowledge? You wouldn't be posting here if you had anything useful to do 
and you wouldn't post so much utter nonsense if you knew anything worth 
knowing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati

>   on the atomic clock before it is used to clock
>> out the sequence.
>>
>> In that sense the GPS system has only got one time base
> 
> Right. Except some brainwashed idiots those
> zillions of local times are necessary for no-one.
> And even for you only for some liturgical rites.

It's you who is brainwashed - you've scrubbed your brain of any 
knowledge of the theory of relativity, probably because you share the 
German National Socialist delusion that it is "Jewish science". That 
would make it hard for you to develop high-technology products if you 
were involved in any kind of product development that did anything 
interesting, but you are much too dim to be doing anything like that.

>> satellite transmissions happen at exactly the same time does require 
>> that each individual atomic clock has to be corrected for relativistic 
>> effects - both Lorentz and gravitational time dilation.
> 
> You're a piece of impudently lying shit,
> that's for sure - but I've already forced
> you to admit that your insane Shit predicted
> no corrections.

And you may even believe that fatuous claim.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
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                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
          Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
            Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
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