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| Subject | Re: energy and mass |
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| Newsgroups | sci.electronics.design, sci.physics.relativity |
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| From | Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> |
| Date | 2026-03-13 09:04 -0700 |
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On 03/13/2026 08:57 AM, Bill Sloman wrote: > On 13/03/2026 8:54 pm, Maciej Woźniak wrote: >> On 3/13/2026 10:10 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>> Am Donnerstag000012, 12.03.2026 um 10:48 schrieb Maciej Woźniak: >>>> On 3/12/2026 10:45 AM, Thomas Heger wrote: >>>>> Am Mittwoch000011, 11.03.2026 um 10:54 schrieb Gerhard Hoffmann: >>>>>> Am 11.03.26 um 09:57 schrieb Thomas Heger: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Actually it doesn't matter, but I think that Einstein wasn't a >>>>>>> particularily smart person. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have analysed his paper 'On the electrodynamics of moving >>>>>>> bodies' very carefully and found roughly 390 errors in it. >>>>>> >>>>>> They said on the radio there was a wrong-way driver on this highway - >>>>>> but there are hundreds! >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Well it's a pretty old joke and not particularly funny. >>>>> >>>>> What you apparently want and actually demand, that is conformity >>>>> with some sort of mainstream. >>>>> >>>>> That is actually very useful in traffic, but is not a scientific >>>>> requirement. >>>>> >>>>> Science has just one thing in mind and that is truth, whether you >>>>> like what is true or not. >>>> >>>> A human mind is the only* device capable >>>> of distinguishing between truth and false. >>>> Thus, if all human won't like it and say >>>> "false!" - there is no possibility of >>>> objecting. >>>> Surprising? Well, but that's the truth, >>>> whether you like it or not. >>> >>> >>> Truth is definitely not a democratic decision. >> >> Depend on subject. In many subjects it's >> rather oligarchic, gurus decide, common folk >> doesn't care and obey. There are some subjects >> where common folk cares, the truth is democratic >> there. >> >>> There exist the possibility, that almost everybody thinks, that some >>> explanation is actually correct. >>> >>> But that doesn't matter, if the explanation is actually wrong. >> >> If you convince almost everyone to >> change his mind - then the previous state >> of minds doesn't matter, indeed. >> >>>> *AI is coming but it makes no difference >>>> since it's working with similar enough >>>> schema. >>>> >>> >>> Among the dangers of AI is the problem, that AI can't tell the truth >>> neither, but has no moral in itself, to hinder wrong actions from >>> wrong conclusions. >> >> Oh, it's more moral than an average human. >> It has no self-interest (at least I >> think it has no), so it only serves >> the social rules, including morality. > > Apparently if you let AI loose on a military problem it is unusually > likely to want to use nuclear weapons. > > Large language models do include text from all over the place. > Sometimes called the radio shack problem, early models of self-guided munitions were given points to reach their goals. Anyways, one time the operator sent it a signal to test an error mode, and the missile turned right back around and hit the shack, in, "anger". Maybe they should have to watch a bunch of "Wile E. Coyote" first. A usual dichotomy between "goal-seeking" and "risk-aversion" is among reasons why greedy idiots aren't given "launch codes". Prisoner's dilemma, tragedy of the commons, and so on. Saying that "AI" is only a generative result of the vectorization and arithmetic coding and brainless would be seriously underestimating usual models of mechanical inference after models of cognition.
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Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-02-28 10:14 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 00:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 20:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-03 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-03 23:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-05 11:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 01:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-05 16:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:48 -0800
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-05 22:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-05 14:32 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 16:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 18:20 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-06 11:01 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-07 16:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-06 21:56 -0800
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-07 04:16 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:31 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-07 07:08 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-08 00:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 08:42 -0800
Re: energy and mass "Don" <g@crcomp.net> - 2026-03-05 18:48 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-05 12:32 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-06 05:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-08 09:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-09 01:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-10 09:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 08:56 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 09:13 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-10 20:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-10 12:51 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 12:55 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 14:53 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-11 10:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 07:54 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 18:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 20:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-12 07:59 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-13 08:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 16:53 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-12 10:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:48 +1100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-13 08:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:03 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 02:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 16:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 07:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 01:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 20:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 01:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:40 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 10:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 23:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 14:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-15 10:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:52 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 20:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 23:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 00:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 10:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 07:31 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 09:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 10:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 04:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 04:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-11 08:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 17:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:33 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:40 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 09:16 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 04:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 10:37 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:32 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 23:23 -0700
Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-11 13:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 08:27 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:05 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:12 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-11 10:30 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-11 19:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 06:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 18:09 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 09:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 21:22 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 13:14 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 23:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 16:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 14:31 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:17 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-12 07:52 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 08:57 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 03:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-10 21:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-10 19:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-11 15:42 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-11 11:20 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-11 09:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-11 10:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-12 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 10:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 22:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-12 12:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-13 03:14 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:10 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 10:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-13 09:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-13 20:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:29 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 20:44 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:46 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 09:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 20:56 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:03 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:30 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-15 09:38 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:12 +0100
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Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 14:16 +0100
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Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 11:05 +0100
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Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:17 -0700
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Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:10 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:25 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 04:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 17:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-15 06:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 01:04 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 17:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 07:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 02:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 15:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 08:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 21:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 11:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 13:58 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:30 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:21 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:47 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:11 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:07 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 05:22 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-14 12:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 08:24 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 08:26 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:10 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 09:19 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 16:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 21:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 10:19 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:17 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:15 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:04 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:50 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:27 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 13:58 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 02:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 05:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 17:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:39 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:07 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:09 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:18 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:29 +0100
That stupid piece of shit Bill Sloman is admitting it is lying Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 11:37 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 16:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 16:49 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:47 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 14:12 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 06:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:36 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:12 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 14:41 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 01:20 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:33 +0100
Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:19 +0000
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:29 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 17:54 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 11:48 +0100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-19 12:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 06:56 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:35 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 00:49 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 16:25 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:23 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:00 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 17:00 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 22:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-12 00:06 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-12 11:51 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-13 09:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-13 15:08 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 09:39 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:37 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-14 21:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 23:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 00:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 14:34 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-20 04:21 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:19 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:01 +1100
Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-21 11:59 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:01 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 00:40 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 14:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:57 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 07:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:55 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:11 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:43 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 17:03 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 09:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:08 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:28 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:26 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:57 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 16:21 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:56 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-14 21:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-17 08:52 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 00:13 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:09 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:24 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 14:33 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:25 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 23:44 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 15:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:51 +1100
Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:07 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:39 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-20 08:49 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 16:15 +1100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 07:50 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:06 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:18 -0700
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:34 -0700
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:02 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 11:45 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 01:16 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 22:32 +0100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-20 10:55 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-20 04:28 -0700
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:42 +0100
Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 07:35 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 01:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 13:06 +0100
Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-20 12:57 +0000
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-21 09:53 +0100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-21 13:26 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 02:36 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-18 13:05 +0100
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-14 03:34 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-14 10:18 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-14 02:58 -0700
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-15 03:41 +1100
Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-01 13:13 +0100
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 06:51 -0800
Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-02-28 07:06 -0800
Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-01 17:05 +1100
Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-01 10:46 +0100
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