Re: energy and mass

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Subject	Re: energy and mass
From	nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder)
Date	2026-03-23 13:21 +0100
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john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 21 Mar 2026 19:47:29 +0100, Maciej Wo?niak <mlwozniak@wp.pl>
> wrote:
> 
> >On 3/21/2026 7:19 PM, Bill Sloman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>> Lorentzian and gravitational time dilation are physical processes,
> >>>
> >>> Yes, they're delusions of your absurd religion.
> >> 
> >> Far from it. Quite a lot of high energy physics wouldn't make sense if
> >> > time dilation wasn't happening.
> >
> >Of course. And it isn't happening.
> >Snipping the question "what do clocks really
> >indicate" won't help it, poor stupid scum.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> 
> >>> And what we observe in GPS is a  very classical clock error.
> >> 
> >> You don't have a clue about the global positioning system. 
> >
> >Neither fierce barking will.
> >But still - it's fortunate that even
> >such a disgusting piece of lying shit
> >as you are can't lie non stop, so sometimes you
> >admit they're correcting clocks for
> >error, instead for your absurd dilation
> >delusion.
> >
> 
> When HP introduced their first caesium clock, they rented seats on
> airplanes for a round-the-world trip, caesium and a battery pack and
> two engineers. They compared it to another clock that stayed in Palo
> Alto.

Actually the first transportable one.

> The time diff was right what relativity predicted.

That 'round the world' thing was just a demonstration for publicity.
They also did a less publicized 'straight up in the same place'
demonstration. (that also confirmed general relativity)

Their real business was visiting standards labs world wide
to synchronise their atomic clocks. [1]
(correcting for relativistic effects of flight of course)
It had practical uses, in the Apolla program for example.

> A really good clock will measurably change frequency if you take it up
> a tall building in the elevator.

These days a few centimeter eight difference is enough,
or even a few mm for atoms inside a clock,

Jan

[1] Atomic clocks had  created the problem
of local clocks being far more accurate
than they could be synchronised with each other. (GPS cured that)

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Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-15 21:57 +0100
  Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-15 23:04 +0100
    Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 14:27 +1100
      Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 07:50 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-16 21:19 +1100
          Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 11:48 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 01:35 +1100
              Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 15:55 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 13:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 02:36 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:18 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 05:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 17:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:13 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:07 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:41 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:09 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:18 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 21:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:29 +0100
                That stupid piece of shit Bill Sloman is admitting it is lying Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 11:37 +0100
      Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 16:24 +0100
        Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-16 16:49 +0100
          Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 17:44 +1100
            Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 08:17 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 14:12 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:06 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 17:34 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 06:26 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 20:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 15:12 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 08:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 20:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 11:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 00:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 14:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 01:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 15:33 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-03-18 15:19 +0000
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-18 08:29 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-18 17:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 11:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Gerhard Hoffmann <dk4xp@arcor.de> - 2026-03-19 12:08 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 16:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 06:56 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-20 18:35 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 10:00 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 00:49 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-20 16:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:13 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 06:23 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 18:00 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 09:55 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 02:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 17:00 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 05:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 19:47 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 14:21 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-21 22:51 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:27 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:39 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 08:03 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:40 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-22 10:27 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:43 -0700
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-21 21:58 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-21 17:45 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 18:36 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-21 19:21 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 03:36 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:15 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-22 10:26 -0700
                Re: energy and mass (Double Relativity Theory) Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-23 09:45 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:20 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-22 10:58 +0100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-23 13:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:01 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 16:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 06:28 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-22 21:03 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 11:15 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 02:47 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-22 20:35 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 15:19 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 07:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 21:15 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 13:05 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-23 23:16 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 16:01 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:34 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 19:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 09:27 +0100
                Re: energy and mass "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2026-03-24 13:36 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:48 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:28 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:37 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:07 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 17:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:42 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 10:53 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 05:29 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:54 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 13:53 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 23:21 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-24 20:55 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-25 07:25 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 19:03 +0100
                Re: energy and mass liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid (Liz Tuddenham) - 2026-03-24 08:44 +0000
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:28 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:14 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 08:06 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-23 20:11 +0100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-23 19:04 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 22:31 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:33 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:40 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:21 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:31 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 16:41 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 04:23 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-24 18:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:51 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-24 17:37 +1100
                Re: energy and mass john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com> - 2026-03-24 05:37 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-25 03:39 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 11:32 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 01:04 +1100
                Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-20 22:43 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-21 15:50 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2026-03-19 13:52 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-19 06:00 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-17 17:26 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 14:44 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-19 07:46 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-19 18:01 +1100
                Re: energy and mass Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> - 2026-03-19 11:17 +0100
                Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-17 08:08 -0700
                Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-18 03:13 +1100
        Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:00 -0700
          Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 11:20 -0700
          Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-16 22:24 +0100
            Re: energy and mass Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-03-16 17:32 -0700
            Re: energy and mass Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-03-17 10:51 +0100
              Re: energy and mass Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> - 2026-03-17 22:50 +1100
  Re: energy and mass Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2026-03-19 10:42 +0100
    Re: energy and mass nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-03-19 13:39 +0100

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