Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll
Date	2016-11-06 06:34 +0000
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On 2016-10-29, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <5813edd5$0$63118$b1db1813$19ace300@news.astraweb.com>, JF
> Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> wrote:
>
>> 
>> > You can proudly stay stuck in the past for all I care, fool.
>> 
>> The past is the present for a lot of professionals.
>
> only those who can't see what's happening in the industry.

The industry isn't the only industry.  Try healthcare or utilities. 
Those change when they HAVE to, not a moment sooner.  They like PROVEN
tech.  They abandon it reluctantly, when they can't get it any more. 
Then they upgrade to something newer and hang on to THAT until they
can't...

Tell a nuclear engineer that he's got to proof everything, all
interactions, all over again, and file the paperwork that such was done.
They get VERY unhappy.  Hospitals want things that WORK.  They don't
give a rat's ass about "new", they want *proven*.

It's hipsters like you and me who change on a dime.  We have to.  Then
we have to bridge the gap, possibly pulling the old tech users forward
with everything we've got, because we can't get the old parts, or
because we have careers that will continue beyond next week and need
experience on new stuff.

> wifi or get an adapter.

Done.  Ready for the new machine.  WiFi has rate and security issues. 
Ethernet doesn't have as many.

>> Hence, the "Pro" line should cater to those who still need those, while
>> the "Air" can cater to the new kids on the block who don't know what
>> Ethernet is.
>
> except when it's not needed. 
>
> apple has a lot of marketing data regarding not having an ethernet port
> on the retina macbook pros that have existed for ~4 years. 

And the Air is likely going away soon.

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I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 11:34 -0400
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 11:53 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-28 10:08 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 13:23 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 17:49 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:04 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 15:08 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 19:41 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:56 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 20:15 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:31 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:57 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:43 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:23 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:40 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-06 07:29 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:40 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:05 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 11:50 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 12:08 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:41 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:41 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 15:50 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-17 19:58 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-17 09:32 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-18 13:06 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:05 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:08 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 07:05 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-17 23:39 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 16:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-15 13:49 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 10:00 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-16 11:18 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:32 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-07 16:44 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 17:12 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:50 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 08:54 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 20:08 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-14 13:17 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 13:32 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:53 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 17:18 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:39 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:11 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-16 09:24 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:49 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 04:59 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:52 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:56 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-15 22:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:10 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 14:02 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-16 12:13 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 17:45 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 18:28 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:48 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:47 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 19:30 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 06:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 07:39 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:10 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <zerbatory@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 15:21 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 16:06 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 10:05 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:44 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-06 08:11 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 08:57 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:37 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 14:23 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:06 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 09:04 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:39 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2016-10-30 14:01 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-31 09:28 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 17:25 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:43 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 02:00 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 19:46 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 15:57 -0600
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:54 -0600
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-31 01:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-10-28 18:55 -0700
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:50 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 18:59 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-10-31 21:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-31 23:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-01 11:15 -0400
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 10:54 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:26 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:24 +0000
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        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:02 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 21:36 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:46 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 17:33 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:00 +1300
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:24 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:20 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-06 19:33 +1300
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:37 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-06 08:06 -0500
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 08:47 +1300
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 15:25 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-06 22:21 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 02:27 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-07 03:10 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-06 08:02 -0500
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:08 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 12:08 -0500
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-07 19:36 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-08 15:53 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-08 10:58 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-09 00:22 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:54 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:03 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-10 14:25 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-10 14:27 -0500
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:52 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:02 +0000
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        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 18:26 -0400
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    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 01:45 -0400
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    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 01:51 -0400
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          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 14:25 -0400
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              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:44 -0400
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