I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll

From	Davoud <star@sky.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll
Date	2016-10-28 11:34 -0400
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Not a web or Usenet poll, but a scientific poll of professional users
in the arts and sciences. What is more important to you in a MB Pro‹an
ultra-thin form factor or greater versatility through more ports,
including legacy ports?

The Ethernet port has been gone for years, but it has become more
important for Mac users in the sciences, as many instruments that were
not available to Mac users have become available via Ethernet
connections to devices with built-in web servers, eliminating the need
for platform-specific drivers and proprietary software that was most
often Windows-only. Solution: buy more adapters, though USB-C lacks the
secure lock that Ethernet connectors employ. And don't collaborate;
these connectors are prone to slip out if you rotate your MBP to show
someone the display.

FireWire: Apple told us that we were "Creative Pros" who needed small,
rugged, external FW drives, and we bought them. Tons of them. Then they
came for our FW ports, leaving us to buy more flimsy slip-fit adapters.
We've got $ thousands invested in FW drives. They're still widely
available in Mac shops. The price of Thunderbolt drives hasn't come
down much, and there aren't that many of them. Already got Thunderbolt
drives and damn the cost? Buy more cable adapters.

MagSafe: A stroke of genius, they told us, and it was. Gone, and you'll
give up one of your measly four "Thunderbolt 3/USB-C" ports for the
power adapter.

SD Card Reader: Remember, you're a "Creative Pro," working on location
with still cameras and high-end video and audio, so you need a built-in
card reader. Gone.

USB-C: The wave of the future, until it isn't. How long before Apple
tells us that something else is the wave of the future? It gives me a
headache figuring out how many adapters and new cables I would need for
DSLR tethering, my card reader, my USB 2 type B printers, my USB 2 type
B micro, USB 3 type B micro and so on.

Optical and analog audio input? Gone.

My cost? $3949 for a fully loaded, top-of-the-line 15" MB Pro
(organizational discount; full price $4299). About $350 for new cables
and adapters. $1500 for two 2Tb external backup SSD's (adapters for
"Thunderbolt 3/USB-C extra). Cost to "upgrade" to a new MBP Pro
equivalent to my current 15": $5800, or $6150 for those without a
discount path. Tax additional: total $6090 or $6458.

Whatever this may look like, it's an observation, not a complaint. My
answer to the scientific poll, guaranteed to be worth what it costs you
to read it, is "non-anorexic laptop with legacy ports." Two USB, four
USB-C, two FW 800, Ethernet, and MagSafe power connector, for starters.
And kill the "touch bar" now instead of waiting a couple of years
before killing it in favor of some other New Age fad gimcrack.

Lucky me! I have two 17" MB Pro's with SSD's (Apple said that a
"Creative Pro" needs a 17" portable for video editing until they said
it was all a mistake and s/he didn't need a 17" after all) and a
late-model 15" Retina SSD. So it'll be years before I need a new MBP
and I'll not only get to skip a generation or two of adapter cables,
but I'll also get a different New-Age keyboard gimcrack.

-- 
I agree with almost everything that you have said and almost everything that
you will say in your entire life.

usenet *at* davidillig dawt cawm

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I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 11:34 -0400
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 11:53 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-28 10:08 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 13:23 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 17:49 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:04 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 15:08 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 19:41 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:56 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 20:15 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:31 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:57 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:43 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:23 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:40 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-06 07:29 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:40 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:10 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <zerbatory@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 15:21 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 16:06 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 10:05 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:44 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:37 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 14:23 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:06 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:39 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2016-10-30 14:01 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-31 09:28 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 17:25 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:43 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 02:00 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 19:46 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 15:57 -0600
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:54 -0600
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-31 01:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-10-28 18:55 -0700
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:50 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 18:59 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-10-31 21:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-31 23:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-01 11:15 -0400
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 10:54 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:26 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:24 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-28 17:31 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:02 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 21:36 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:46 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 17:33 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:00 +1300
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:24 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:20 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-06 19:33 +1300
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:37 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2016-10-28 17:20 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:42 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 18:58 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 16:10 -0700
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-28 16:53 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:05 -0400
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 17:57 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 18:26 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 18:34 -0400
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:16 +0000
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 01:45 -0400
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 17:09 +0000
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 01:51 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2016-10-29 10:14 -0400
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 13:03 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 14:12 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 14:25 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:44 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-30 09:23 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 12:44 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 20:04 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:15 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 20:57 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 03:45 +0000

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