Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll
Date	2016-11-18 07:05 +0000
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On 2016-11-18, Davoud <star@sky.net> wrote:
> dorayme
>> >> You would 
>> >> often not even easily get the idea of some things to do in digital 
>> >> without having done them in wet.
>
> nospam:
>> > anything that can be done wet can be done with digital with a lot less
>> > fuss, plus it's infinitely repeatable.
>
> Howard S Shubs:
>> I think his point is that's only true once someone has done it in an
>> actual darkroom.
>
> It is nonsensical to assert that a person could not easily learn
> digital image editing without darkroom experience.

That's not what I said.  I said that processes need to be done in a
darkroom first, which has already been shown to be not-true.


> Take the work of Ansel Adams. He was the first to photograph the
> subjects that he photographed in the way he did, and he is justly
> famous for it. I would wager, however, that there are thousands or tens
> of thousands of photographers with high-resolution, full-frame DSLR's
> today who could duplicate the work that he did, and with much less
> effort because they don't need to spend hours in the darkroom
> manipulating the light. I worked long and hard to learn the Zone
> System, and now I have software that duplicates Adams' manipulation of
> dynamic range in BW or color with a click of the mouse. It wouldn't
> make sense to me to try to duplicate Adams' work, because it's already
> been done and it's famous. But it /could/ be done.

As I understand it, a large part of his work was picking a spot and
waiting for the right moment.  He might wait weeks for the right moment.

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Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:40 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-06 07:29 +0000
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:40 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:05 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 11:50 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:34 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 12:08 -0500
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:41 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:41 +1100
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 15:50 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-17 19:58 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-17 09:32 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-18 13:06 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:05 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:08 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 07:05 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-17 23:39 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:46 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-18 16:30 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 13:11 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-19 17:42 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 14:22 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-20 09:01 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-21 07:30 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-20 13:33 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-21 09:52 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-20 19:22 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-21 16:18 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-19 10:30 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-19 10:13 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:39 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-18 10:23 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:48 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:02 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-19 21:20 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-19 16:52 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-20 02:55 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-19 21:59 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-20 03:26 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 14:37 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 09:31 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 09:40 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-18 18:37 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 11:03 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 07:46 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 06:55 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 16:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 09:48 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-19 09:45 -0500
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-15 13:49 -0800
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 10:00 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-16 11:18 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:32 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-18 10:23 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 18:08 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-19 10:31 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-07 16:44 -0500
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 17:12 -0500
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:50 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 08:54 +1300
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 20:08 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-14 13:17 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 13:32 +1300
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:53 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 17:18 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:39 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:11 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-16 09:24 +1300
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:49 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 04:59 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:52 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:56 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-15 22:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:10 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 14:02 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-16 12:13 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 17:45 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 18:28 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:48 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:47 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 19:30 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 06:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 07:39 +0000

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