Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll
Date	2016-11-14 09:41 +0000
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On 2016-11-07, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrno20kes.vl5.howard@foxtrot.local>, Howard S Shubs
><howard@shubs.net> wrote:
>
>> >> > the most popular camera is the iphone, which doesn't have any cards. 
>> >> 
>> >> Only by people who don't need a real camera.
>> >
>> > the best camera is the one you have with you. nobody carries an slr
>> > everywhere they go.
>> 
>> I have at times.  Still, that's why I got the P7800.  It's a lot easier.
>> But if I've got my backpack with me, my DSLR is there.  That happens if
>> I'm carrying my laptop.  OTOH, my F5 almost never comes with me.
>
> nikon f5? that's film and has long been eclipsed by digital. there's no
> reason to bring it anywhere. even an iphone will produce better quality
> results, just without the selection of lenses.

You get different results with film.  It depends on what you're trying
to do.  That's why I keep it around.  The main problem I have with the
F5 is that it's too fucking big for me.  I got it to replace an N80,
which only had 1/2EV adjustments.  Most other cameras do 1/3EV, so I
decided to look for a nice film camera.  I didn't think about the size
of the results!


>> > the camera in an iphone is good enough for most situations.
>> 
>> If you say so.  I don't agree, but that's due to my uses.  You're not
>> going to use an iPhone's camera for taking pictures of models, or
>> serious landscape images, or many other things I shoot.  See
>> <http://flickr.com/denimadept> but you'll need to log in to see some of
>> the more interesting stuff.
>
> that's not most situations and you know it.

It's situations *I* deal with.


> an iphone fits in a pants pocket. an slr does not.

A P7800 kinda does, but I keep it in a little case.


>> > people don't normally travel with a 2 pound ultra-portable laptop and
>> > also carry a bunch of peripherals and then connect it all together.
>> > chances are they don't even bother with a power adapter.
>> 
>> Likely true.  It's not aimed at people like me.
>
> yep. it's not aimed at power users. it's aimed at people who travel or
> simply don't want something heavy. there are other macbooks for power
> users.

If I travelled more often than I do, maybe twice a year at most, I'd
probably still carry my backpack with my MBP and DSLR equipment.  It
depends on what's at the other end.  If the other end is not of
interest, I'd probably just use my HP backpack instead.


>> >> Here, I disagree with you.  The MagSafe port was a safety thing. 
>> >> Someone tripping over your power cord didn't cause your system to
>> >> plummet to the ground.
>> >
>> > sure, but how often does that actually happen? 
>> 
>> Depends on your environment.  If you've got to stretch a power cable
>> across an aisle or hallway or between tables, it could be
>> important.
>
> in other words, not common.

I can't answer that.  Do you have data?


>> > another advantage with usb-c is if you plug in an external display, you
>> > don't need to connect a power adapter. the display provides power over
>> > usb-c. 
>> 
>> Yes, and likely burns the MBP's battery faster.
>
> no it won't. 
>
> *both* video out and charging are done with *one* cable.

Yes, I just addressed that in a reply to Lewis (I think).  I missed that
in your reply, having read it wrong.  I can't wait to get back access to
USENET using MT-NW!!


>> >> > or just get this:
>> >> ><https://griffintechnology.com/us/breaksafe-magnetic-usb-c-power-cable>
>> >> 
>> >> Griffin.  Figures.  They make good stuff.
>> >
>> > except they fucked it up. unlike magsafe, their breaksafe is not
>> > reversible. very dumb.
>> 
>> Ouch.  If they came out with this before the USB C port, I can kinda
>> excuse it.  If afterward, not so much.
>
> they need to update it to support more power (for the new macbook pros)
> so maybe they'll fix that issue. or not.

We can hope.

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Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:40 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-06 07:29 +0000
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:40 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:05 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 11:50 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:34 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 12:08 -0500
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:41 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:41 +1100
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 15:50 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-17 19:58 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-17 09:32 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-18 13:06 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:05 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:08 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 07:05 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-17 23:39 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:46 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-18 16:30 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 13:11 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-19 17:42 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 14:22 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-20 09:01 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-21 07:30 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-20 13:33 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-21 09:52 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-11-20 19:22 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-21 16:18 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-19 10:30 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-19 10:13 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:39 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-18 10:23 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:48 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 10:02 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-19 21:20 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-19 16:52 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-20 02:55 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-19 21:59 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-20 03:26 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 14:37 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 09:31 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 09:40 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-18 18:37 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 11:03 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-11-19 07:46 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-20 06:55 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 16:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-19 09:48 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-11-19 09:45 -0500
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-15 13:49 -0800
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 10:00 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-16 11:18 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:32 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-18 10:23 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 18:08 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-19 10:31 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-07 16:44 -0500
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 17:12 -0500
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:50 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 08:54 +1300
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 20:08 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-14 13:17 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 13:32 +1300
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:53 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 17:18 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:39 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:11 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-16 09:24 +1300
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:49 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 04:59 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:52 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:56 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-15 22:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:10 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 14:02 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-16 12:13 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 17:45 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 18:28 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:48 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:47 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 19:30 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 06:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 07:39 +0000

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