Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll

From	Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net>
Newsgroups	comp.sys.mac.system
Subject	Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll
Date	2016-11-06 06:20 +0000
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References	<281020161134443699%star@sky.net> <281020161153153970%nospam@nospam.invalid> <2016102810083321153-savageduck1@REMOVESPAMmecom>

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On 2016-10-28, Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> wrote:

> Why? The issue is that many of us have already made an investment in a 
> particular connection tech, and many of us have reached a point in our 
> lives (retired) where it is financially impractical to duplicate that 
> hardware with a new system just because Jon Ive likes thin.

Get used to it.  It's been going on like this since forever.  The
USB/FW/TB/etc thing should be blamed on Intel, as they're the ones
coming up with it all; Apple is just using it.  I blame Intel for the
USB A/B port.  They should have had something like USB C since the
beginning, but it's only been around since what, 2014?  It took way too
long to get here.

Would I like my new machine to still have an ethernet port and
Magwhatever power ports?  Yes.  Would I like a built-in SD reader?  Yes.
 But I don't need a modem port.  Or an old-style serial port, though I
*would* like an ADB port, as I like the original Apple Extended Keyboard.

SCSI's out, though it works fine in my SE.  IDE is out, though it worked
fine in my Q630.  Apple never used eSATA that I know of in MBP. Firewire
is ANCIENT at this point.  While my machine has a FW800 port, I gave up
on it shortly after buying my 2009 MBP.

I just finished upgrading my external disk enclosures from the ones I
bought in the mid-to-late 2000s.  I had to, as they wouldn't handle 4TB
drives properly.

> I already have a large investment in FW800 drives providing me 
> redundant backup. Most of my portable drives are OWC Mercury On-The-Go 
> Pro FW800/USB 3.0. This just doesn't seem to be anything more than 
> creating a PIA to spend more to mirror storage with USB-C drives and 
> other established systems.

When was the last time you bought something in a FW800 enclosure?

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I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 11:34 -0400
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 11:53 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-10-28 10:08 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 13:23 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 17:49 +0000
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:04 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 15:08 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 19:41 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:56 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 20:15 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:31 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:57 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:43 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 09:55 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 16:23 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:40 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-06 07:29 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:40 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 06:34 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:05 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 11:50 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 12:08 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:41 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:41 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 15:50 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-17 19:58 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-17 09:32 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-18 13:06 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:05 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-17 23:08 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 07:05 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-17 23:39 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 16:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-15 13:49 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 10:00 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-16 11:18 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 20:32 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-07 16:44 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 17:12 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:50 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 08:54 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-14 20:08 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Savageduck <savageduck1@{REMOVESPAM}me.com> - 2016-11-14 13:17 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-15 13:32 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:53 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-15 17:18 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll dorayme <do_ray_me@bigpond.com> - 2016-11-16 07:39 +1100
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:11 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-16 09:24 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:49 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 04:59 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-15 09:52 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-15 23:56 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-15 22:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:10 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 14:02 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-16 12:13 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-16 17:45 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-16 18:28 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:48 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-17 18:47 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-17 19:30 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-18 06:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-18 07:39 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:10 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <zerbatory@gmail.com> - 2016-10-28 15:21 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 16:06 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 10:05 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:44 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-06 08:11 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 08:57 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 20:37 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 14:23 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:06 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 09:04 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:39 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll YK <xxxxx@dialme.com> - 2016-10-30 14:01 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-31 09:28 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-30 17:25 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:43 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:34 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 02:00 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 19:46 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Larry Gusaas <larry.gusaas@gmail.com> - 2016-10-29 15:57 -0600
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nmassello@yahoo.com (Neill Massello) - 2016-10-29 17:54 -0600
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-31 01:51 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-10-28 18:55 -0700
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:50 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 18:59 +1300
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John McWilliams <jpmcw@comcast.net> - 2016-10-31 21:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-31 23:42 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-01 11:15 -0400
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 10:54 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:26 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:24 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll me@home.spamsucks.ca (Király) - 2016-10-28 17:31 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-28 15:02 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-28 21:36 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 22:46 -0700
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-28 17:33 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-10-29 10:00 +1300
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:24 +0000
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 06:20 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-06 19:33 +1300
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-06 07:37 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-06 08:06 -0500
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-07 08:47 +1300
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-06 15:25 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-06 22:21 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-07 02:27 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-11-07 03:10 +0000
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-06 08:02 -0500
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-07 10:08 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-07 12:08 -0500
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Leonard Blaisdell <leoblaisdell@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-11-07 19:36 -0800
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-08 15:53 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-08 10:58 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-11-09 00:22 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:54 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:03 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-10 14:25 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-11-10 14:27 -0500
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-14 09:52 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-11-15 13:19 -0500
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Howard S Shubs <howard@shubs.net> - 2016-11-16 09:02 +0000
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2016-11-08 09:14 +1300
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll John Albert <j.albert@snet.net> - 2016-10-28 17:20 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:42 +0000
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-28 18:58 -0400
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-28 16:10 -0700
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      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-28 20:05 -0400
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 17:57 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Davoud <star@sky.net> - 2016-10-29 18:26 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-29 18:34 -0400
  Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 04:16 +0000
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 01:45 -0400
      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Lewis <g.kreme@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> - 2016-10-29 17:09 +0000
    Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 01:51 -0400
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      Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 13:03 -0400
        Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll JF Mezei <jfmezei.spamnot@vaxination.ca> - 2016-10-29 14:12 -0400
          Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2016-10-29 14:25 -0400
            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 01:42 +0000
              Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 10:44 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll gtr <xxx@yyy.zzz> - 2016-10-30 09:23 -0700
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 12:44 -0400
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 20:04 +0000
                Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Alan Browne <alan.browne@freelunchvideotron.ca> - 2016-10-30 17:15 -0400
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            Re: I'd Like to See a MacBook Pro Poll Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> - 2016-10-30 03:45 +0000

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