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Re: The "Standards" Game

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: The "Standards" Game
Date 2025-09-19 03:43 +0000
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On Thu, 18 Sep 2025 15:04:05 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	I personally think Turbines are better than fields full of yellow
> dried grass waiting for careless human, dry lightening or winds that
> simply cause friction to ignite. In the sping the hills are green and
> promise much but they are quickly bleached to yellow, dry and fuel for
> any spark.>

It's been a while but iirc you get both turbines and fields full of dry 
grass. They don't pave under the turbines or mow the lawn. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/colorado/news/turbine-colorado-wind-farm-
collapses-burns-invenergy-clearway-clean-energy-fire/

Many of the fires don't include tower collapse but there are problems.

https://www.windsystemsmag.com/turbines-and-fire-risk/


> Well you would be less than happy if you had had to drive on the 2 
lane
> predecessors of the freeways. 

Actually I like the blue highways. They can be hard to find in this state 
as I-90 followed the US 10 route. The E/W main drag in town is US 10 but 
it's mostly short stretches of frontage road. 

My brother was quite a bit older than me and moved to Seattle to work at 
Boeing. We drove there from upstate NY in '52 so I saw a lot of 2 lane. We 
went back on the southern route so I also saw most of Route 66. 

In later years there were still incomplete sections.  In the '90s Wallace 
Idaho had the last red light on I-90. The narrow canyon required 
overpasses so you drove through town. Good business for the Bordello 
Museum. 

https://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/2949

There was also an unfinished section along the lake a Couer d'Alene. 

I-70 through Glenwood Canyon was still under construction in the early 
'90s too.

 From the 1930s you can find endless lines
> of cars coming West from the dust bowl states to California where the
> displaced were herded into camps for Texies, Oakies. and Arkies.  I was
> watching
>   a film recently that brought that era of misery to mind.

I'm sure you've seen 'They Drive By Night'. I've run the Grapevine more 
times than I can remember, including when there was about an inch of snow 
and the Angelnos lost their minds completely. Then there was unique 
California Crazy.

https://www.kvpr.org/arts-culture/2016-11-08/bakersfield-remembers-
christos-umbrellas-25-years-later


> 	Before the roads East to West were paved due to the need for 
smoother
> roads for the people who could afford automobiles or motorcycles, the
> railroads were the only way to get from one state to the next place you
> might like. Otherwise you could set a record for distrance travel on
> your motorbike or your fliver.  You would have earned it too.

Then there were horses and wagons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mullan_Road

You could call that the beta release of I-90 in this area. There is an 
area near Alberton MT where they couldn't follow the river and had to 
build a road over a 'Point of Rocks'. It took 5 weeks and was the hardest 
part of the whole road. it's a hiking trail now and while not extremely 
steep must have been a lot of fun in a wagon. The later railroad build a 
tunnel and made use of a lot of high explosives to get through. I-90 also 
blasted a shelf through. The original 10 was on the other side of the 
river but there wasn't room for 4 lanes.

The point is, while people did travel, an extensive transportation network 
wasn't necessary before Eisenhower fell in love with the Autobahn. 
CocaCola was bottled in the local plant, not 2000 miles away. Maybe there 
weren't avocados in the grocery store year around or apples shipped in 
from Australia but there were local sources for the real needs.

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Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-14 21:44 +1000
  Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 08:44 -0700
    Re: The "Standards" Game Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-14 22:46 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:02 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-14 21:14 -0400
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-15 13:34 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 20:09 +0200
        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 18:56 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-15 15:50 -0400
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 03:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-16 21:04 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:47 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:50 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 19:01 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 14:36 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 09:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-22 09:17 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 11:46 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-22 16:05 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 00:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 03:03 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-23 21:03 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:35 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 15:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 18:03 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 18:29 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:17 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:15 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:13 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-09-22 18:17 -0600
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-23 21:23 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:21 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 16:44 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:24 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-23 08:55 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 00:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:17 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:58 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:52 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 16:42 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:45 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:46 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 15:14 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:21 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 19:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 03:47 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 21:06 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 09:47 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:34 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 11:50 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:31 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-17 22:36 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:56 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:59 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:18 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 15:04 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 17:15 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:18 +0000
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                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 03:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:35 -0700
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 11:19 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 13:04 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 17:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-19 07:19 -0700
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                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 17:49 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:44 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-22 14:22 +0000
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    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:03 +0000
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