Re: The "Standards" Game

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: The "Standards" Game
Date	2025-09-16 21:52 +0200
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On 2025-09-16 19:50, Paul wrote:
> On Mon, 9/15/2025 11:35 PM, rbowman wrote:
>> On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:50:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>
>>> The project needs a 3.4 Kilometer tunnel! That's a billion dollars worth
>>> of tunneling right there. I did not see that in the plans. Clever. Oh,
>>> well.
>>
>> Should have hired The Boring Company. Anybody but Bechtel the corporation
>> behind Boston's legendary Big Dig. It only took twice as long and cost
>> twice as much as anticipated.
>>
>> Where does the tunnel go? Seabrook Station in New Hampshire has 2 3 mile
>> long tunnels going out into the ocean. When concerns were raised about the
>> temperature rise from the exhaust tunnel the answer was 'The lobsters will
>> love the nice warm water!'.
>>
>> Seabrook bankrupted Public Service of New Hampshire but at least it's
>> still operating. Maine Yankee and Vermont Yankee were killed by cheap
>> hydro from Quebec among other things. I wasn't enthused back in the '80s
>> but not because of nuclear technology. I thought their estimated of
>> projected demand were too high and the plants weren't economically
>> feasible. New England's manufacturing was leaving and the population
>> wasn't increasing enough to make up the difference with residential
>> demand. No problem today -- just build an AI data center.
>>
>> Hopefully the SMRs work out.
>>
> 
> There are four regular nukes "up the street" from that hole in the ground.
> That is one of the advantages the site has, is it is on the same slab as
> existing nukes. It will share some of the infrastructure (substation perhaps).
> The citizens have already been given their potassium iodide tablets :-)
> 
> But I hadn't seen a plan to run a cooling tunnel.
> 
> There could be more SMR in future, and the cooling tunnel might
> be shared by more than one SMR (eventually). This is all part of
> "seeing what real benefits SMR bring", as to whether the budget
> will be close to the projected value or not.
> 
> While every quanta of nuclear is worth something, it's a pretty slow
> way to achieve a "step change in output". If there was a real BEV mandate,
> you'd never get there with a forest of SMR and holes-in-the-ground and
> cooleo-tunnels. As it is, I doubt we can keep up with the "retirement rate"
> of the existing reactors.
> 
> If there are any lobsters in the waters nearby, they will be "well-done"
> and not just "medium-well".

How warm or hot will be the water inside the tunnel? The tunnel is very 
large diameter, that's a lot of water. They could use it to warm houses 
instead.

Also, where does the intake water come from, another tunnel?

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 20:09 +0200
        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 18:56 +0000
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                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 16:42 -0400
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                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:46 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 15:14 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:30 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 11:50 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:31 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-17 22:36 -0400
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                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:59 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:18 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:24 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 03:43 +0000
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 11:19 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-19 12:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 13:04 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-19 17:07 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 17:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-19 07:19 -0700
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