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Re: The "Standards" Game

From rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: The "Standards" Game
Date 2025-09-18 19:48 +0000
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On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 20:59:58 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote:

> 	We used to correspond on an email list with a man in England who
> 	believed
> that solar panels and wind turbines were eyesores. to someone from older
> times the freeways that enable prosperity would appear to be eyesores.
> 	The fellow in England though Nuclear Power was the only way to go.
> 	Nuclear cooling towers are as much eyesores as wind turbines in 
my 
very
> humble opinion.

California is fortunate it can stick the solar farms out of sight, 
turbines not so much. 

Whether freeways were a net gain is open to debate, although they 
certainly changed the nature of the country. Many small towns were ruined. 
If you want to think in terms of global warming, climate change, or 
whatever it is today, consider the millions of diesel trucks getting about 
6 mpg on average. I drove OTR in the '90s and frequently hauled carpet 
from LA to the Dalton GA area. Then I would load more carpet and haul it 
back to LV and LA. Furniture was the same. Load Asian imports in the Bay 
area and take it to the south east. Load US made furniture in Georgia, 
take it back to CA. I once loaded the newspaper advertising inserts 
everyone throws away or lines the parakeet cages with in Boulder Co and 
took them to Baltimore MD. 

That's what the interstate system brought. Manufacturing was consolidated, 
closing local plants, and depended on cheap transportation. The oceans 
didn't need roads but the same situation pertains globally. I've loaded 
cotton in NM, took it to Long Beach where it was shipped to China to make 
flannel shirts that were shipped back to Walmart.



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Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-14 21:44 +1000
  Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 08:44 -0700
    Re: The "Standards" Game Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-14 22:46 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:02 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-14 21:14 -0400
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-15 13:34 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 20:09 +0200
        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 18:56 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-15 15:50 -0400
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 03:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-16 21:04 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:47 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:50 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 19:01 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 14:36 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 09:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-22 09:17 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 11:46 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-22 16:05 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 00:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 03:03 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-23 21:03 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:35 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 15:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-09-22 18:17 -0600
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-23 21:23 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:37 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 16:44 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:24 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-23 08:55 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 00:07 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 12:17 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:58 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:52 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 16:42 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:45 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:46 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 15:14 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:21 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 19:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 03:47 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 21:06 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 09:47 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:34 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 11:50 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:31 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-17 22:36 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:56 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:59 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:18 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 15:04 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 17:15 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:24 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 03:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:35 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-19 11:01 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 11:19 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 13:04 +0100
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                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 17:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-19 07:19 -0700
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                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 17:49 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:44 +0200
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  Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 08:45 -0700
    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:03 +0000
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