Re: The "Standards" Game

From	Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: The "Standards" Game
Date	2025-09-16 13:50 -0400
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On Mon, 9/15/2025 11:35 PM, rbowman wrote:
> On Mon, 15 Sep 2025 15:50:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
> 
>> The project needs a 3.4 Kilometer tunnel! That's a billion dollars worth
>> of tunneling right there. I did not see that in the plans. Clever. Oh,
>> well.
> 
> Should have hired The Boring Company. Anybody but Bechtel the corporation 
> behind Boston's legendary Big Dig. It only took twice as long and cost 
> twice as much as anticipated.
> 
> Where does the tunnel go? Seabrook Station in New Hampshire has 2 3 mile 
> long tunnels going out into the ocean. When concerns were raised about the 
> temperature rise from the exhaust tunnel the answer was 'The lobsters will 
> love the nice warm water!'.
> 
> Seabrook bankrupted Public Service of New Hampshire but at least it's 
> still operating. Maine Yankee and Vermont Yankee were killed by cheap 
> hydro from Quebec among other things. I wasn't enthused back in the '80s 
> but not because of nuclear technology. I thought their estimated of 
> projected demand were too high and the plants weren't economically 
> feasible. New England's manufacturing was leaving and the population 
> wasn't increasing enough to make up the difference with residential 
> demand. No problem today -- just build an AI data center. 
> 
> Hopefully the SMRs work out. 
> 

There are four regular nukes "up the street" from that hole in the ground.
That is one of the advantages the site has, is it is on the same slab as
existing nukes. It will share some of the infrastructure (substation perhaps).
The citizens have already been given their potassium iodide tablets :-)

But I hadn't seen a plan to run a cooling tunnel.

There could be more SMR in future, and the cooling tunnel might
be shared by more than one SMR (eventually). This is all part of
"seeing what real benefits SMR bring", as to whether the budget
will be close to the projected value or not.

While every quanta of nuclear is worth something, it's a pretty slow
way to achieve a "step change in output". If there was a real BEV mandate,
you'd never get there with a forest of SMR and holes-in-the-ground and
cooleo-tunnels. As it is, I doubt we can keep up with the "retirement rate"
of the existing reactors.

If there are any lobsters in the waters nearby, they will be "well-done"
and not just "medium-well".

   Paul

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  Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 08:44 -0700
    Re: The "Standards" Game Jack Strangio  <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> - 2025-09-14 22:46 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 01:02 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game c186282 <c186282@nnada.net> - 2025-09-14 21:14 -0400
      Re: The "Standards" Game Lars Poulsen <lars@beagle-ears.com> - 2025-09-15 13:34 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-15 20:09 +0200
        Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-15 18:56 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-15 15:50 -0400
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 03:35 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-16 21:04 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-16 18:47 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 13:50 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-16 19:01 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 14:36 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 09:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-22 09:17 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-22 11:46 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-16 21:52 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-16 16:42 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:45 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-17 11:46 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 01:33 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 15:14 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-17 18:21 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-17 19:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 03:47 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 21:06 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:30 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:12 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 09:47 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:23 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-19 18:34 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-20 01:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:30 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 11:50 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 01:31 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-17 22:36 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:56 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:17 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 02:41 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-17 20:59 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-18 09:18 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-18 19:48 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 15:04 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-18 23:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 17:15 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 04:18 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:24 +0200
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 03:43 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-18 22:35 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-19 11:01 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 11:19 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-19 12:54 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 13:04 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Graham J <nobody@nowhere.co.uk> - 2025-09-19 17:07 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-19 17:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:06 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-19 07:19 -0700
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 18:13 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 17:55 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-19 17:49 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-21 21:44 +0200
  Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-14 08:45 -0700
    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-14 19:03 +0000
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