Path: csiph.com!fu-berlin.de!uni-berlin.de!individual.net!not-for-mail From: rbowman Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.misc,alt.comp.os.windows-11 Subject: Re: The "Standards" Game Date: 18 Sep 2025 19:48:45 GMT Lines: 36 Message-ID: References: <10a6nt3$1c65i$1@dont-email.me> <10a9qlq$25h61$1@dont-email.me> <10ac80j$2nuve$1@dont-email.me> <10aefnf$38gjp$3@dont-email.me> <10aevsr$3d66v$1@dont-email.me> <10ag041$3ka79$1@dont-email.me> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Trace: individual.net Mn/PrdjO6xyl+wfrLOMfgAdsn3z6GeLisuTuDXZdJq4OTlSth6 Cancel-Lock: sha1:0/H2r3jLeWZysPaeaNFL+aQi0gU= sha256:/14+vgluxya5S5aRgFZvIeWg7GQW56aBs/0BUPkzbXM= User-Agent: Pan/0.162 (Pokrosvk) Xref: csiph.com comp.os.linux.misc:74487 alt.comp.os.windows-11:24383 On Wed, 17 Sep 2025 20:59:58 -0700, Bobbie Sellers wrote: > We used to correspond on an email list with a man in England who > believed > that solar panels and wind turbines were eyesores. to someone from older > times the freeways that enable prosperity would appear to be eyesores. > The fellow in England though Nuclear Power was the only way to go. > Nuclear cooling towers are as much eyesores as wind turbines in my very > humble opinion. California is fortunate it can stick the solar farms out of sight, turbines not so much. Whether freeways were a net gain is open to debate, although they certainly changed the nature of the country. Many small towns were ruined. If you want to think in terms of global warming, climate change, or whatever it is today, consider the millions of diesel trucks getting about 6 mpg on average. I drove OTR in the '90s and frequently hauled carpet from LA to the Dalton GA area. Then I would load more carpet and haul it back to LV and LA. Furniture was the same. Load Asian imports in the Bay area and take it to the south east. Load US made furniture in Georgia, take it back to CA. I once loaded the newspaper advertising inserts everyone throws away or lines the parakeet cages with in Boulder Co and took them to Baltimore MD. That's what the interstate system brought. Manufacturing was consolidated, closing local plants, and depended on cheap transportation. The oceans didn't need roads but the same situation pertains globally. I've loaded cotton in NM, took it to Long Beach where it was shipped to China to make flannel shirts that were shipped back to Walmart.