Re: Nuclear plants.

From	The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject	Re: Nuclear plants.
Date	2025-09-25 18:50 +0100
Organization	A little, after lunch
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On 25/09/2025 16:11, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> 
> 
> On 9/25/25 04:25, knuttle wrote:
>> On 09/25/2025 5:11 AM, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> 
> 
> Big snip
> 
> The present situation is that Nuclear Power is a mature but
> problematic technology.
Wrong/.
It only is problematic  to Bog Green and Big Oil and Gas.

> But where to put that spent reactor fuel waste after you recycle
> because not only is it tadioactive to some degree but the minerals
> left behind are toxic.  No one seems to want them.
> 
They were more  radioactive and just as toxic when they were in the
ground before they were dug up. How about recycling what is useful and
putting the rest back in the ground?

>> It it an interesting paradox.  People decided that Nuclear power 
>> plants were bad, but everyone now has to have computers that
>> require terabytes of storage.  Terabytes of storage require
>> terawatts of energy. To get the terawatts of energy, the people who
>> provide those terabytes of storage are turning nuclear power plants
>> to provide those terawatts of energy.  So it is coming to the point
>> where to have terabytes of storage, they will have to accept
>> nuclear plants or give up the computer.
> 
> Now that is a good idea but better is to say give up AI data centers
> until the power requirements are reduced to reasonable levels.  After
> all Natural Intelligence runs on a few hundred or thousand calories a
> day for people who do a lot of thinking. 
Given the level of debate the fact that the thinkers here are burning 
only 100W or less and achieving nothing - not even acceptance of the 
facts, it would seem we need AI more than ever/.

>Those terawatts of energy

The Watt is a unit of power, not energy.

> are only important because the owners of the plants are using them to
> make profits.  Not the people deciding but the owners of technology
> and data centers and right now they do not care about how much
> pollution the power plants produce it seems.
> 
Oh god. Its Hanoi Jane and the usual bollocks about EvilProfits™

How else are you able to even have this conversation?

> My personal computers, used generally one at a time provide plenty
> of support to my NI for a reasonable amount of electricity.  Maybe we
> should take big computers requiring large amounts of electrictiy and
> water for cooling right off the table allowing only modern chips that
> use less electrictiy be the power behind the Internet.
> 
Everything you own required energy to make it,
> Well someone besides myself will be making the decisions and larger 
> profits will eventually dictate the use of less electricity with less
>  water for cooling.
> 
The only difference between a data centre and an individual consumer, is 
that the data center can afford to build a nuclear power station and 
bribe enough people to get it through planning, like the renewable people do

> bliss

-- 
In todays liberal progressive conflict-free education system, everyone
gets full Marx.

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                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 12:58 +0100
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                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 08:01 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-04 04:59 -0400
                Re: Nuclear plants. Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:06 -0400
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:51 +0100
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                Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-02 13:45 +0200
                Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-02 18:47 +0000
                Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-02 21:59 +0200
                Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-02 22:11 +0200
                Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-02 22:09 +0000
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                Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.] The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 11:47 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-01 09:20 -0700
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 18:50 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:43 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:04 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-26 20:24 +0200
              Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:29 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. Pancho <Pancho.Jones@protonmail.com> - 2025-09-25 12:53 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:48 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:26 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 20:44 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:21 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:49 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:06 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-25 08:17 -0700
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 18:54 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 18:07 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 20:48 +0200
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:33 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:26 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 07:45 +0100
                OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 10:09 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-27 02:30 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-27 10:16 +1000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-10-02 22:28 +1000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-02 13:41 +0100
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                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:47 +0000
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                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 19:06 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:56 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-25 22:52 -0700
                Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 06:47 +0000
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 11:24 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-26 09:34 -0700
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 11:23 +0100
                Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 11:22 +0100
                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 12:52 +0100
                OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 10:32 +0100
            Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:00 +0100
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                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 12:36 +0100
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                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:42 +0100
                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 10:52 +0000
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