Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.]

From	"Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid>
Newsgroups	comp.os.linux.misc
Subject	Re: Orbital mechanics. [Was: Nuclear plants.]
Date	2025-10-02 21:59 +0200
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On 2025-10-02 20:47, Rich wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2025-10-02 03:03, Rich wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 2025-10-01 14:44, Rich wrote:
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>> On 26/09/2025 3:19 am, knuttle wrote:
>>>>>>> On 09/25/2025 11:11 AM, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>> In my simple mind, I've often wondered why we don't just pack all the
>>>>>> Nuclear Reactor Waste into conveniently co-located Rockets and send
>>>>>> them off to the Big Nuclear Reactor in the Sky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure, there could be some initial teething problems to overcome .... but
>>>>>> anything is possible .... if we set our minds to it!! ;-P
>>>>>
>>>>> Because even if you ignore the fact that, sometimes, rockets explode at
>>>>> launch, orbital physics tends to get in your way in trying to hit the
>>>>> sun:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a21896/why-we-cant-just-launch-waste-into-the-sun/
>>>>
>>>> Interesting.
>>>>
>>>> The farther a planet is from the Sun, the slower the orbit is. So close
>>>> to the Sun it would go very fast.
>>>>
>>>> What would happen if we fire something from the Earth in opposite
>>>> direction of Earth's orbit. I understand it would not hold in orbit but
>>>> start falling towards the Sun, accelerating because of the fall. My
>>>> guess is, this acceleration means it would then reach another stable
>>>> orbit, closer to the Sun.
>>>
>>> Unless the something loses all of its angular velocity [1] then yes, it
>>> will end up in some other orbital path around the sun.
>>>
>>>> This is not explained in the text (the video glances on it).  What it
>>>> says is “Anything short of that just puts the spacecraft in an
>>>> elliptical orbit that never hits the star.”
>>>
>>> Well, that quote *is* the explanation, but that explanation does
>>> presume a certian understanding of orbital mechanics that not every
>>> reader will have.
>>
>> I understand when explained, but I did not know what would happen when
>> trying to hit the sun.
> 
> It is an aspect that is quite unintuitive vs. how we experience forces
> and acceleration ourselves.


At Star Trek they do it, with dead people, don't they?

> 
>>> The problem here becomes the fact that if we decelerate the object
>>> sufficient to make it fall towards the sun, but insufficient to
>>> actually hit the sun, it is now very likely to enter into a "comet like
>>> orbit" where the orbital ellipse is very elongated rather than being
>>> closer to circular.  If that elongated ellipse is such that it
>>> intersects Earth's orbit (as the object would have begun at Earth's
>>> orbit, it has a higher likelyood of intersecting than any random bit of
>>> space debris) then we have a situation where, at some point in the
>>> future, it may intersect with Earth's orbit while Earth is occupying
>>> the same space at the same time, and we now have a risk of our own
>>> radioactive asteroid "dirty bomb" returning home, if the object was
>>> originally a radioactive waste disposal container.
>>
>> LOL (not).
> 
> ???

I laugh at the idea of throwing garbage to the Sun, but fear some fool 
actually mandating doing it.

> 
>>> [1] Due to the diameter of the sun, there is a minimum angular velocity
>>> threshold below which the object would impact some portion of the sun.
>>> I don't know the number (but it is way less than the earth's angular
>>> velocity) and I've no interest in going through the calculations to
>>> determine the minimum angular velocity that still results in a "hit" of
>>> the sun.
>>
>> braking with the solar wind, perhaps.
> 
> One could, possibly, use the solar wind as a braking force, but unless
> one deploys some form of "solar wind sail" the net force on a small
> object is going to be negligible compared to the objects mass.
> 
> My point with the footnote is that to hit the sun, one has a 1391400km
> diameter target that one has to hit.  If one could launch a
> container and exactly zero out the orbital velocity obtained from
> Earth, the object should (ignoring gravity effects from other planets)
> fall straight at and hit dead center upon the sun.

Yes. But that's a lot wasted energy to do it.


> 
> Any net positive (or negative) orbital velocity on the object means
> that the impact point on the sun moves from the exact center towards an
> edge.  The radius from center to edge is half the diameter, so the hit
> point can move up to 695700km before it "just grazes" (tangent) the
> edge of the sun.  There is some orbital velocity amount above which the
> object misses (and goes into orbit) and below which it impacts some
> portion of the sun.  That value is the value that one has to decelerate
> the object below in order to be sure of a hit instead of a miss.  So
> one does not have to decelerate to "exactly zero" (which is implied by
> the webpage and video) but instead one has to decelerate below
> abs(episilon) where episilon is that "minimum amount" value.

Interesting.

-- 
Cheers, Carlos.
ES🇪🇸, EU🇪🇺;

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          Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-25 22:52 -0700
            Re: Nuclear plants. rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 06:47 +0000
              Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 11:24 +0100
              Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-26 09:34 -0700
            Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 11:23 +0100
          Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 11:22 +0100
      Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 12:52 +0100
      OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 10:32 +0100
  Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 10:00 +0100
    Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:33 +0200
      Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:47 +0100
      OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 09:45 +0100
        Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-27 12:36 +0100
          Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Nuno Silva <nunojsilva@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:24 +0100
            Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-03 11:42 +0100
              Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Stéphane CARPENTIER <sc@fiat-linux.fr> - 2025-10-04 10:52 +0000
                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 12:29 +0100
                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2025-10-04 15:10 +0000
                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-10-04 09:59 -0700
                Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-10-04 18:49 +0100
            Re: OT: Re: Nuclear plants. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-10-03 14:14 +0200

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