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Re: The "Standards" Game

From Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.misc, alt.comp.os.windows-11
Subject Re: The "Standards" Game
Date 2025-09-28 12:00 -0400
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On Sun, 9/28/2025 8:52 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
> On 24/09/2025 3:06 pm, Charlie Gibbs wrote:
>> On 2025-09-24, The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 23/09/2025 21:21, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>>> Opening up a submarine to replace the "engine" must be an engineering feat.
>>>
>>> Not if it's designed to be opened up
>>
>> That reminds me of the "fast ferry" fiasco here in B.C.  This batch
>> of new ferries, as it turns out, had to be red-lined in order to get
>> the speed that was promised - which wore out the engines in record
>> time.  That's when it was discovered that there was no means to
>> easily remove the engines for servicing, so holes had to be cut
>> in the hull.  After the provincial government's standard 100%
>> cost overrun building them, they were eventually pulled from
>> service (to the great relief of everyone who traveled on them),
>> and they were eventually sold for 10 cents on the dollar.
>>
>> Ironically, they turned out to generate such a wake that they
>> had to be run slowly past the islands near each end of the trip
>> so that their wake wouldn't bash everything on said islands, so
>> the purported time savings shrank to 5 to 10 minutes on a 1:35
>> trip.  Yawn.  The only person I know of who liked them was a guy
>> who lived on Gabriola Island who would get out his surfboard
>> whenever one went by.
>>
> .... but at least your ferries had somewhere to berth when they did finish their voyage. Australia's Island state, Tasmania, has ordered two new ferries but the new ferries are longer then the port they use!!
> 
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-08-23/spirit-of-tasmania-iv-arrives-in-hobart-from-scotland/105685256
> 
> Quote
> "It's costing us so much money and it's come so far, that we really hope it will lift our state and bring plenty of visitors in and pay for itself," Chresley Elphinstone said.
> 
>     "It's been a shambles, really, but I just hope they've got it all right now — but that port should have been ready a long time ago."
> End Quote
> 
> and
> 
> Quote
> "The bungled rollout has caused political turmoil in Tasmania, with the infrastructure minister who oversaw the project losing his job over it."
> End Quote

Ferry wrangling is a hard concept for politicians.

The pictures make it look like yours is the size of the Love Boat.
I was expecting something more RORO oriented (so the RORO-end
could meet the dock end).

In this picture, there is a RORO that parks end-on. I suppose it all depends on
how rough the water is, in-port, whether docking that way is practical.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Queenscliff_ferry_terminal.jpg

   ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roll-on/roll-off )

One of the things that can go wrong with that kind of solution,
is "forgetting to close the door" while at sea. Apparently, that's bad for them :-)

   Paul

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Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-22 16:05 -0400
  Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 00:07 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 03:03 +0000
    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-23 21:03 +1000
      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:35 +0100
      Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 15:23 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 17:30 +0100
          Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-23 18:03 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 18:29 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:17 +0200
              Re: The "Standards" Game Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2025-09-24 18:43 +0000
          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:15 +0200
          Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:13 +0200
          Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 03:06 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-26 23:28 +1000
  Re: The "Standards" Game Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> - 2025-09-22 18:17 -0600
    Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-23 21:23 +1000
      Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 13:37 +0100
        Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-23 22:21 +0200
          Re: The "Standards" Game Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-23 14:31 -0700
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:29 +0100
            Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 02:59 +0000
              Submarine testing. "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 21:54 +0200
          Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-23 21:39 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:00 +0200
              Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:05 +0000
            Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:29 +0100
          Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-24 01:28 +0100
            Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-24 05:06 +0000
              Re: The "Standards" Game "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 22:26 +0200
              Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-28 22:52 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-28 12:00 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-28 17:34 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-29 23:36 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-29 15:45 +0100
                Re: The "Standards" Game Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2025-09-28 18:29 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game not@telling.you.invalid (Computer Nerd Kev) - 2025-09-29 08:54 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-09-28 22:51 -0400
                Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-29 23:46 +1000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> - 2025-10-04 09:50 +0000
                Re: The "Standards" Game Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> - 2025-10-04 14:51 -0400
            Opening a submarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-24 22:02 +0200
              Re: Opening a submarine Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever@dslextreme.com> - 2025-09-24 15:26 -0700
                Re: Opening a submarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-24 23:31 +0000
                Re: Opening a submarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:16 +0200
              Re: Opening a submarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 09:53 +0100
                Re: Opening a submarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:23 +0200
                Re: Opening a submarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-25 13:20 +0100
                Re: Opening a submarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:26 +0200
                Re: Opening a submarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 10:35 +0100
                Re: Opening a submarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-26 13:34 +0200
                Re: Opening a submarine The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-26 12:36 +0100
                Re: Opening a submarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-25 17:23 +0000
                Re: Opening a submarine "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> - 2025-09-25 22:31 +0200
                Re: Opening a submarine rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-26 04:18 +0000
      Re: The "Standards" Game rbowman <bowman@montana.com> - 2025-09-23 16:44 +0000
        Re: The "Standards" Game Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> - 2025-09-30 00:02 +1000
  Re: The "Standards" Game The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> - 2025-09-23 11:24 +0100

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