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Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI

From James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.os.development
Subject Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI
Date 2016-01-28 11:03 +0000
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On 27/01/2016 22:20, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:27:38 +0000
> James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 20/01/2016 03:28, Rod Pemberton wrote:
>
> [All OT]

...

>> 2. There is currently a safe territory for ISIL to use for terror
>> training. Terrorists are already being exported. There are reports of
>> them using their freedom to try to develop WMDs. The safe place needs
>> to be denied them for the good of all of us.
>>
>
> Is this really likely?  It's unlikely, but possible, that North
> Korea has nuclear weapons.  This is after decades of effort.  How
> likely is it that ISIL obtained WMDs?

WMDs are not just nuclear. There are lots of reports of ISIL having a 
chemical weapons programme. For example,

http://news.nationalpost.com/news/isil-is-aggressively-pursuing-chemical-weapons-iraqi-u-s-intelligence-officials-say

Note the phrase that they are "setting up a branch dedicated to research 
and experiments with the help of scientists from Iraq, Syria and 
elsewhere in the region". That matches what I have read elsewhere and 
goes to the heart of the safe-space point I made. As long as they have 
territory in which they reign supreme they have the time and space 
needed for such development and testing.

> Even Saddam Hussein apparently
> didn't have them ...  But, what is any country with nuclear weapons
> going to do to the U.S. or Russia or allies of the U.S. or Russia?
> If any country uses such a weapon, they'll be annihilated by either
> the U.S. or Russia.  Region-wide genocide.

I think the threat is more about them exploding a dirty bomb, such as a 
chemical bomb, in a big US city or its underground rail system.

> Both countries have an
> abundance of such weapons, and neither will tolerate the use of such
> weapons by "terrorist" countries.  If North Korea uses such a weapon
> against the U.S., do you think that the U.S. will be concerned that
> Russia or China is next door?  No, it won't.  North Korea will be a
> hole full of radio active dirt.  The same goes for Iran.  The U.S.
> won't be concerned that Russia is it's ally.  It'll be a pile of
> radio active glass.  The U.S. will deal with Russia or China after
> the fact.
>
>> 3. There is a violent ideology that is being taught in the region,
>> including to children, sowing seeds of jidadism for the near future
>> and also for the long term. That needs to be tackled on many levels.
>> Tony Blair, former UK PM, is one of the few people who seem to have
>> anything to say on this.

I found a reference for that:

http://www.tonyblairoffice.org/news/entry/the-depth-of-the-challenge-why-force-alone-will-not-defeat-islamist-extremi/

> Nitpick.  By "violent ideology," you meant an "ideology which teaches
> violence."  I.e., an ideology in and of itself isn't violent even it
> if promotes or incites violence.

Yes, an ideology which espouses violence, intolerance, conquest, 
permission to kill anyone who is not a true believer, violent domination 
of men over women, etc, etc. And this is being taught in schools in some 
countries in the region to make the next generation of jihadists.

It is more about a philosophy than guns but the following picture makes 
a point.

https://twitter.com/Linnlondon1/status/667342957742301185

I don't mean to be alarmist. If these things are indeed going on then 
current politicians need the courage to tackle them, not to stick their 
heads in the sand. If the problems are not dealt with now then they will 
surface in the future.

> In the U.S., ideologies are
> technically protected speech, like religion, although I'm sure the
> U.S. government has likely been violating that since 9/11 in the
> name of "safety."  They can't be held accountable.
>
>> Some would say that what happens in ISIL territory is not our
>> problem. But I think that after WW2 people realised that it was not
>> enough for the world's conscience to leave the Nazis contained. As
>> above, organisations such as these must, IMO, be denied safe space in
>> which to operate and carry out their barbaric acts.
>
> If they are contained, who do they have to attack other than themselves?

Make no mistake. The goal of many of the most violent is a *worldwide* 
caliphate.

>> Issues above need to be tackled at source. Solutions will need
>> courage, will, cooperation and persuasion - in addition to
>> willingness to carry out a range of measures, as necessary.
>
> People loose the desire to fight over time.  They want to live and
> love and rest and relax and cherish and move on etc.  You have to
> be immensely, insanely traumatized to continue to hate and be angry
> with an intense focus for long time periods.  If you weren't
> directly affected, i.e., follower of a violent/hurt leader, then this
> isn't easy as you don't share the anger.  You want something from the
> movement, in a timely manner.  When that doesn't come, the followers
> are disgruntled, and leave.

That would be nice but, unfortunately, that picture is very different 
from what is happening in the middle east. Remember that Nazism did not 
gradually dissipate.

...

>> Whatever the reason for travelling, the migration has led to the
>> deaths of many adults and children.
>
> How many more are alive because they didn't die as a byproduct of war?

People may get out of the war zone to a place of safety but then still 
want to 'flee' from that place of safety to Europe or the USA.

> If war has a 30% chance of death, and migrating is less than 2%, the
> latter is the better choice.

That is not the choice that people face, though it seems to be a widely 
held belief. The first point is that those who cannot escape from Syria 
have no choice at all. They are trapped there. Second, those that can 
and do get away face a choice between options such as life in a refugee 
camp and life in Europe. Naturally, the latter sounds better to many and 
they take the risk.

There is a difference between fleeing from war and 'fleeing' from a 
refugee camp.

As I have said before, I don't in any way blame people for wanting to 
get themselves and their families to a better life. I do blame European 
governments for encouraging people to make the dangerous trip instead of 
taking in the needy directly from the refugee camps.

Not all of Syria is a war zone. Not all who arrive claiming they have 
fled from Syria have fled from a place of war. I have seen video of some 
who say they are bored here and want to go back.

> Life is not without risk.  You can die
> from simply eating food or touching animals or falling down, etc.
> People must accept some risk of untimely death simply because they
> are alive.  Do you want a Nanny-state where the government protects
> and controls your every action?  "You can't walk there."

The government says you cannot walk on a freeway (term?). That seems a 
pretty good law to me. ;-)

James

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    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 17:00 +0100
      Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-04 23:32 +0200
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            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:35 +0200
              Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 16:28 +0100
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 19:14 +0200
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 20:02 +0100
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            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:50 +0000
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