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Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI

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On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:56:36 -0800 (PST)
"Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:55:25 AM UTC-8, Rod Pemberton wrote:

<OT>

> On freeloaders...
> 
> I think that a lot of unexpected costs (not due to accidents,
> but rather due to health deteriorating beyond sustainable and
> manageable) can be cut down if we invest into and promote
> preventive care, which should include not only regular check-
> ups,

This issue was primarily for the poor, elderly, lazy, cheap, or
unconcerned.  Those who could afford to purchase healthcare
before Obamacare, generally had frequent check-ups and regular
appointments with internists, dentists, and optometrists.

> but also somehow let people exercise despite having too
> many work/commute hours or making insufficient money to afford
> gym membership or whatever is the reason why they can't do it.

This is an issue of willpower, not money.

Weight rooms are plentiful in the U.S.  It's not just gyms
that have them.  You can find them at many places of work,
most hotels, almost any type of "club" such as tennis club,
racquetball club, country club, and probably even some gun
clubs.  There are various charities that have them too.  So,
I wouldn't doubt it if some churches provided them also.  The
tennis and racquetball clubs will sell a day pass.  You
don't need a membership.  This is similar to many other places
of recreational activities in the U.S. such as bowling, billiards,
arcades, amusement parks, national parks, and skiing, etc.
You just need to purchase a day pass, a ticket, a license, etc.
A small amount of funds will buy a complete weight set and
basic equipment for home use. For most, the cost of something
below $1000 or even $5000 USD is usually insignificant and
the equipment can last for decades.

> It can even be that there's time and money, but the person
> thinks they have more important things than their own health
> or they are depressed and need a bit of help, a push and/or
> company.

If someone decides to take that path, it's their choice.
They don't need to take that path.  They only need to pick
one working solution:

Family. Friends. Competition. Religion. Psychiatry. Drugs.

> Often times we don't take much interest in each
> others well being or help each other or even are
> able to ask for help and listen and hear one another.

Too many people are talkers and don't listen.
Is there a drug to fix them?

> I don't think that this is necessarily incompatible with
> capitalism and everyone must be forced to deal with problems
> of such importance and such common occurrences on their own.
> I think it's fixable.

If someone is in such a state, do they even recognize the
importance of them not being there?  I.e., it implies that
people need a yearly mental health evaluation.  I doubt
that anyone would sign up for that.  It implies that you
know there is something wrong with you which needs fixing.
This would have to be forced upon people.

> Now, on education and loans. Have you looked at the costs of
> higher education in the US over the past 50 years? They are
> growing like crazy. Is education improving or is it helping
> people get the knowledge/skills for the job better than a
> decade or two ago? Probably not.

Education isn't improving.  Demand is.  When my dad received
his first degree, only 1% of the U.S. populace had university
degrees.  By the time I graduated from high school, almost
25% of the U.S. populace had a degree.  Today, it's rumored
to be nearly 50% of the younger generation.  Major universities
have become degree mills.  It's clear that by intelligence
alone that the U.S. shouldn't have so many people with degrees.
Without the intelligence appropriate for the degree, a person
will be incompetent.  This is being driven by the demand
for "white collar" (desk or office) jobs.  That demand has
exploded since "blue collar" (manual labor) jobs were exported
to China and Mexico etc via free trade agreements.

> If you consider technological advances of the recent
> past, you can notice that a number of disciplines are now
> much more accessible than before because it's no longer just
> your teacher or just your library that is the container or
> carrier of the information that you need. A lot of it is now
> online, including full courses. It is understandable that
> this can't work for every discipline. But this should be
> making education more and more accessible and cheaper.

It is.  The cost of finding information is much lower than
decades ago.  Years ago you had to go to a university or
research library to find government statistics.  Today, you
just go to the website of the IRS or Census Bureau or
Bureau of Labor and Statistics or Federal Reserve.

The problem isn't the availability of information or it's
presentation.  The problem is the lack of accreditation
by alternate learning programs.  E.g., you can go to a
website like Udemy and buy an online MBA course or to
Amazon to buy used collegiate textbooks in economics,
finance, or accounting, management, marketing, investment,
or venture capital, for maybe $100 USD, but you're not
going to get a degree from doing so which an employer
requires.

http://www.businessinsider.com/goldman-sachs-mba-online-course-udemy-deal-2016-2

> There's a problem in the education system (many, actually).
> And it needs to be addressed.

Yes.

E.g., cheating by U.S. fraternities is a serious continuing
issue.  It allows people who otherwise couldn't earn a degree
through effort or intellect to obtain one with excellent grades.

> Cheaper education will be less problematic w.r.t.
> repaying loans.

This is a supply versus demand problem.  Once educators
realize that only 10 out of every 400 students are capable
of being an electrical engineer and employers begin to
complain about incompetent people with degrees, then the
standards will improve, but only after fraternity cheating
is squashed by the universities.  Those students who were
pushed into an advanced degree for the degree's potential
earnings without the intellect or desire for that degree,
will inevitably fail in their job endeavors.

> I also don't quite get it why educational debt should be
> special and should be treated differently from any other
> in terms of bankruptcy. Is this a case of bad lobbying?

In the U.S., isn't it usually provided from taxes collected
by the U.S. government from the people?  How do you default
on debt owed to the U.S. government which represents everyone?

BTW, I took your comments to be regarding the U.S. and
not another country.


Rod Pemberton

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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 03:56 -0800
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-17 04:21 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 02:12 -0800
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-24 18:03 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 02:53 -0800
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    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 17:00 +0100
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        Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 14:05 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 15:17 +0100
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:35 +0200
              Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 16:28 +0100
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 19:14 +0200
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 20:02 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:46 +0200
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-07 01:16 -0400
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:50 +0000
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