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Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI

From Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm>
Newsgroups alt.os.development
Subject Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI
Date 2016-02-16 05:33 -0500
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On Mon, 15 Feb 2016 15:57:00 +0000
James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 15/02/2016 10:55, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> > On Sun, 14 Feb 2016 15:58:35 +0000
> > James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
> >  
> >> On 14/02/2016 14:11, Rod Pemberton wrote:  

[OT]

> > I guess your countrymen need to decide if the EU is worth saving.  
> 
> It's funny. Even the EU's proponents say it is not very good but they 
> want to stay in anyway, seeing it as the only option.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_aversion

> > Saving it could lead to short-term negative consequences.  
> 
> That sounds interesting. What negative consequences did
> you have in mind?

Well, nothing in particular.  More an expectation that things
could become worse before they become better.  "It's darkest
before dawn ..."

> ISTM that *leaving* it could result in short-term negative
> consequences for the UK. The reasons are complex. I won't
> detail them just now. Leaving would be better for the UK
> in the longer term.

Ok.

> The EU, by contrast, has a different approach. It tends to be more 
> heavy-handed, regulatory, protectionist and integrationist.

Change doesn't have to be forced.  Enough people are for change
- no matter what kind of change - that change happens.

> I think the UK would be happier in a club which was essentially
> for trading only.

Ah.  That may be the crux of the issue.  I.e., how do you have 
free trade and open markets, when other countries are trading
increased political and legal control for the open markets?
The issue could entirely be about accumulating and centralizing
power.

> Imagine the UK leaves the EU club. If the UK subsequently
> does well then more members of the EU club might want to
> leave. The EU's movers and shakers would hate that! They
> don't want to lose members. It would therefore be in their
> interest to prevent an independent UK from being successful.

Sabotage.  There is no guarantee that will happen.
The EU may simply be indifferent to the UK, or they may
want secretly desire the UK leaves it.  The latter would
give someone more power and control over the EU group.
It would also give them immense bargaining power over
the UK should the UK decide to rejoin in the distant
future.  I.e., the UK may be far worse off if it's
forced to exit and then rejoins later.

Or, did you mean the EU already has the legal option to
prohibit the UK from leaving the EU? ...

> I don't mean that I expect dirty tricks but they could
> be unhelpful or even spiteful. When negotiating trade
> between the UK and the EU they could be obstructionist
> and unhelpful. Even if they know they will suffer
> economically because of it they will think it will help
> keep other members in their club.

True.

> Scepticism about the EU project is growing across Europe
> as people see the effects it is having. I think the UK is
> the first member to have a referendum on whether to remain
> in or leave.

That's a strong message.  It may be enough to shock leadership
into realizing that there are some major structural problems
with the EU as it is.  The economies and legal systems of
the EU countries are at widely different stages of development.
The politics are all over the political spectrum.  Some
countries embrace democracy, some socialism, ...  Maybe, a
tiered approach to government and economics would work, if
not already implemented.

> >> For example, as the UK has free healthcare people come here from
> >> elsewhere in Europe to get medical help.  
> >
> > Nobody likes a freeloader, but can anyone deny someone sick and
> > in need of medical attention? ...  
> 
> I thought that happened in America prior to what you call Obamacare.

It was "limited."  Usually, the hospitals subsidized much of the cost
of people without coverage at their own expense due to local or state
regulations requiring treatment of people in emergencies.  IIRC, some
care was subsidized by the state via a cut of various random taxes for
the uninsured, e.g., uninsured motorist accidents.  And, various
charities would cover medical bills for certain types of people, e.g.
poor, children, minorities.  I.e., "socialism" via capitalist means.

Basically, what was denied was basic coverage, which you were
expected to provide for yourself, but weren't required to do so.
Also, extreme medical expenses weren't covered, such as for the
sick who needed healthcare that only a millionaire could afford.
Healthy people simply didn't buy healthcare.  Many poor people
here refused government provided coverage prior to Obamacare.
There is a strong belief in many parts of the US that opposes
any help from the government.  This is especially true in the
South and Appalachia.  People there will buy illegal "moonshine"
before they'll buy taxed alcohol just to spite the government.
They'll willingly become criminals instead of accepting help
from the government, e.g., for food or income.  This is also
true in parts of the West, which are usually rural areas also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhYJS80MgYA

> Has Obamacare made any difference to those who have
> health insurance. Or are they unaffected?

I personally haven't seen any issue in wait times.
Primarily, the negative affects of putting many
millions of people onto healthcare without solving
the increasing healthcare costs issue for the
healthcare industry are:

1) a loss of freedom and money due to the requirement
that healthy people must pay for healthcare insurance
which they don't need or want

2) a massive increase in healthcare costs for most

The latter is due to numerous reasons, but primarily
a total failure by the "brilliant" economist who
designed much of the plan to understand economics:

a) many millions more people who are on healthcare
who aren't paying their own way and need coverage
b) the legislation not solving the issue of increasing
costs for the healthcare industry which are due to:
b-i) malpractice lawsuits
b-ii) new, expensive medical technologies
b-iii) newly patented, expensive drugs
b-iv) excessive medical testing to avoid lawsuits
c) the legislation not creating an actual reduction 
in healthcare costs but reduces those costs via government
subsidies which are supplied from taxing medical supply
and medical device companies, which just causes those
companies to pass those costs on to us somewhere else
d) the legislation not charging a fair market price
for coverage in urban, suburban, and rural areas but
instead redistributes medical costs from expensive,
urban regions of the country to those in lower cost
areas suburban and rural areas
e) legal restrictions on insurance providers which
force them to bear the brunt of the extra costs
which is causing them to exit the market or file
for bankruptcy
f) the government effectively legalizing a Ponzi
scheme, which requires young healthy people, middle
class whites, and the deserving elderly to pay for
poor urban, predominantly black, minorities and
city dwellers who are generally more wealthy than
suburbanites, i.e., redistribution

There are definite racial retribution undertones here.
Blacks here are always looking for ways to "sock it
to the white man" or "screw whitey" or "hurt the crackers"
or "screw the man" etc rhetoric, or increase "free"
government handouts and social programs for minorities,
even over 150 years after the end of slavery.  The
current President of the US is no different.  It's the
same thing decade after decade by the black minority.
Hurt whites.  Freeload off the government.  Attack cops.
Riot.  Pretend to be a victim.  Claim discrimination.
Claim reparations.  Minority entitlement.  Repeat.
This is all driven by a small group of radical
black individuals known as "race baiters" here.


Rod Pemberton

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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-17 04:21 -0500
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    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 17:00 +0100
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        Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 14:05 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 15:17 +0100
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:35 +0200
              Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 16:28 +0100
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 19:14 +0200
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 20:02 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:46 +0200
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-07 01:16 -0400
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:50 +0000
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