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Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI

From James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com>
Newsgroups alt.os.development
Subject Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI
Date 2016-01-16 19:55 +0000
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On 16/01/2016 17:55, Rod Pemberton wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:44:08 +0000
> James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [OT]

...

>>>> * EU policies have already brought in and are continuing to bring
>>>> in an unknown number of terrorists as well as large groups who are
>>>> not terrorists but who do not share the West's traditional respect
>>>> for women. There have already been assaults, rapes, intimidation
>>>> and killings.
>>>
>>> Cultural problems resulting from immigration die down over time.
>>
>> Maybe so. But how many of the existing citizens suffer in the
>> meantime? Try telling the women who have been raped in Sweden or the
>> people who were shot in Paris. Try telling their loved ones that it
>> will all sort itself out in time and see how comforted they will feel.
>>
>> Too, if people refuse to integrate then serious problems can persist.
>
> What is one to do?  I.e., allow in and accept some troubles or reject
> and let them suffer.  Do you put them on probation?  What?

I am no expert and am wary of pontificating from a point of view of 
ignorance. I get all my info from news reports and what I read, not 
first hand - so my views are clouded by what others have told me. 
However, I will try to answer your question, if only because I know that 
it's easy to say what's wrong with a system but to be realistic one has 
to back that up with what the system should be changed to.

I don't believe that any one measure is appropriate and that a number of 
things all need to be done.

* Yes, stop people coming by their own efforts. The current flow of 
humanity must be brought to an end. It is killing people. Just last 
night I saw on Sky News another three children were pulled dead from the 
sea. IIRC they were just 4 and 6 years old. It's an indictment against 
civilisation that such things happen. These children are so young. They 
have no say, no choice.

As well as killing people such migrations fuel criminality because 
traffickers make vast profits from it. They can apparently charge 
thousands of pounds per person, load hundreds into boats and then let 
them fend for themselves. Many boats overturn and people drown. There 
have been reports of such trafficking helping fund ISIL or other 
terrorist organisations so such funds can lead to further deaths of 
innocent people. Again, it must be stopped. German chancellor Angela 
Merkel's invitation to take as many as could come was, IMO, highly 
irresponsible to the point of stupidity.

* Publicise in each country on the migration routes that the borders are 
not open. That is so important in order to stop people starting the 
journey. Publicise, too, that Europe is not as good as the traffickers' 
propaganda makes it sound, and that people including children are lost 
to drowning. In their home countries publicise videos of migrants 
suffering, drowning, being deported etc in order to counter the 
narrative that starts people risking their lives by trying to migrate to 
Europe.

* Ensure refugee camps are adequate places for people to live and for 
them to get education for their children.

* Take in the refugees who are the most needy directly from the refugee 
camps as the UK is doing. Allow-in refugees only, not economic migrants 
(unless they are part of the country's normal immigration processes). 
Rather than the many relatively wealthy young men who are making their 
own way across this would allow poor families with children and/or 
infirmities to get priority.

* Work on the causes of the war that is driving people away from Syria 
so that they can return home.

* Work with countries in the region to give refuge for those who are 
displaced. While millions have come from Syria to Europe, "Gulf 
countries including Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, 
and Bahrain have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees." 
That is according to

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2015/09/syrias-refugee-crisis-in-numbers/

* Fingerprint and, as you mention, put everyone who comes in on 
probation. Provide training to help them integrate: language, culture, 
behaviour, attitudes etc.

* Start shipping back any who should not be here and do so very 
publicly, showing the process, not the individuals' faces.

* Allow only selected families to stay after the war is over. Others by 
default should expect to go back to Syria once it is safe.

* I hesitate to suggest forming an army but others have said that the 
young Syrian men who are migrating in such numbers could instead be 
making up forces that will be able to help take their country back when 
ready.

Any good? I am thinking that that kind of approach would help those who 
really need the help but stop 90+% of the migration, keeping the 
would-be migrants and their children safe and also protecting European 
countries against taking in terrorists.

>> Talking about EU madness.... To reduce the number of African migrants
>> settling in the EU the EU leaders recently proposed that they would
>> send Africans back to their home countries but also *pay* those
>> countries to take them back. Imagine having to pay a country to take
>> its own people back!
>
> Wow!  That sounds like a good money making con to me.  There are
> plenty of corrupt governments in Africa.  There has to be a small
> country you can bribe.  ;-)
>
> Just keep sending them around in a circle and collect money.  If the
> EU wises up, then the cons may need some forged paperwork which should
> be easy for an African government.  It's just another bribe.

I'm glad you can see it. I was stunned when I heard that such a 
suggestion was being proposed. It is an example of the kind of thing 
that EU leaders think is an appropriate use of our taxes.

> But seriously, what is Africa supposed to do with them?  Imagine
> Africa attempting to integrate all American blacks.  (I'm just
> being hypothetical, not racist.)  What would all those "returned"
> people do in Africa?  It's not like Africa has a shortage of people.
> This would create an immense strain on food and services, enhance
> black-on-black tensions, etc.  A few of their cities now rival or
> exceed populations of major cities in the US, EU, China, Japan, etc.

I was only talking about African governments taking back their own 
nationals. So a Somali government, for example, would take back Somali 
citizens whether they be black or white.

James

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  Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2015-10-02 20:43 +0200
    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 15:23 +0100
      Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Bernhard Schornak <schornak@web.de> - 2015-10-05 17:38 +0200
  Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-02 17:17 -0400
    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 16:36 +0100
      Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-04 21:27 -0400
        Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 15:01 +0100
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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-01-16 12:55 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-16 19:55 +0000
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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-14 09:11 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-14 15:58 +0000
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-15 05:55 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-15 15:57 +0000
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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 06:16 +0000
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-24 18:03 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 06:25 +0000
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 00:21 -0800
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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-03-02 21:50 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 06:09 +0000
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                Re: OT politics, was [Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI] James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-03-17 16:35 +0000
                Re: OT politics, was [Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI] Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-03-17 21:02 -0400
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-24 20:09 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 14:55 +0000
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-16 03:56 -0800
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-17 04:21 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 02:12 -0800
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI Rod Pemberton <NoHaveNotOne@bcczxcfre.cmm> - 2016-02-24 18:03 -0500
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 02:53 -0800
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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> - 2016-03-27 21:10 -0700
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                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2016-01-15 15:10 +0000
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  Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-03 12:48 +0200
    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 17:00 +0100
      Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-04 23:32 +0200
        Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 14:05 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 15:17 +0100
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:35 +0200
              Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 16:28 +0100
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 19:14 +0200
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 20:02 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:46 +0200
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-07 01:16 -0400
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:50 +0000
              Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-12-27 23:22 +0100

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