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  [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-02-08 12:53 +1300
    Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-02-08 14:48 +1300
    Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Tyrone <none@none.none> - 2025-02-08 05:32 +0000
      Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-08 06:39 +0100
        Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com> - 2025-02-08 11:18 -0800
        Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-08-18 18:18 -0500
          Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-08-19 12:05 +1200
            Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-08-19 00:58 -0500
              Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-08-19 18:27 +1200
                Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS super70s <super70s@super70s.invalid> - 2026-08-20 19:06 -0500
                  Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2026-08-21 18:51 +1200
      Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2025-02-08 18:40 +1300
        Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Jörg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.net> - 2025-02-08 07:43 +0100
        Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2025-02-08 16:57 +0000
          Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS Percival John Hackworth <pjh@nanoworks.com> - 2025-02-08 22:24 +0000
            Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS vintageapplemac@gmail.com (scole) - 2025-02-15 16:25 +0000
              Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS snes1423 <twertlesonline1423@gmail.com> - 2026-08-18 13:06 -0400
      Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS ant@zimage.comANT (Ant) - 2025-02-08 19:27 +0000

#145276 — [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS

It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One 
reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem 
for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just 
another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(


    Apple breaks the Mac App Store for macOS Sierra users
    -----------------------------------------------------
    A back end change to the Mac App Store appears to have shut out
    users of macOS Sierra and older versions, blocking not just
    purchases, but also downloads of software already bought.

    While users of the current macOS Sequoia have recently
    benefited from Mac App Store changes, it's being reported that
    users on 2016's macOS Sierra are no longer able to use the
    store at all.

    As first spotted by blogger Michael Tsai, macOS 10.12.6 Sierra
    users are now just getting an error message when the attempt to
    sign in. It's not certain whether it is affecting all or only
    some macOS Sierra users, but reports are spreading on Apple
    support forums and social media.

    The issue appears to have followed Apple's mid-January
    announcement to developers that it would be changing how
    certificates for App Store receipts are signed. This is how the
    App Store encodes a proof of purchase for apps.

    Apple has cautioned developers that it is possible that "your app
    will fail to validate the receipt," which could mean that "your
    customers may lose access to their content. The developer note
    explains how individual apps could be updated to avoid this.

    There doesn't appear to be a similar notice concerning the whole
    of the App Store. It's conceivable, then, that this is an error
    which will be addressed by Apple in an update.

    However, macOS Sierra is now close to a decade old. It was also
    a particularly significant release as it was the first to be
    branded macOS instead of OS X.

    It was in the following release, macOS High Sierra, that Apple
    made the switch to only 64-bit apps. This meant that older 32-bit
    software could no longer be used from this 2018 update or later.

    
<https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/02/07/apple-breaks-the-mac-app-store-for-macos-sierra-users> 

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#145277

On 2025-02-07 23:53:09 +0000, Your Name said:

> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One 
> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem 
> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just 
> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
> 
> 
>     Apple breaks the Mac App Store for macOS Sierra users
>     -----------------------------------------------------
>     A back end change to the Mac App Store appears to have shut out
>     users of macOS Sierra and older versions, blocking not just
>     purchases, but also downloads of software already bought.
> 
<snip>
> 
>     
> <https://appleinsider.com/articles/25/02/07/apple-breaks-the-mac-app-store-for-macos-sierra-users> 
> 

There are reports that the App Stoer isn't working properly with newer 
MacOS versions up to  Mojave (10.14), although that could just be an 
issue with the servers being busy.

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#145278

On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> 
> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(

Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
Store". 

Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
developers' websites.

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#145279

On 08.02.25 06:32, Tyrone wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>>
>> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
>> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
> 
> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
> Store". 
> 
> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
> developers' websites.

+1
Nobody needs a Nanny.

-- 
"Roma locuta, causa finita." (Augustinus)

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#145284

On 2025-02-07 21:39, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> On 08.02.25 06:32, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
>>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
>>> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
>>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
>>
>> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
>> Store".
>>
>> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
>> developers' websites.
> 
> +1
> Nobody needs a Nanny.
> 

Give the range of individuals I know who want to use computers and 
smartphones, I can tell you with absolute certainty that some people do, 
indeed, need a nanny.

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#146443

On 2025-02-08 05:39:11 +0000, Jörg Lorenz said:

> On 08.02.25 06:32, Tyrone wrote:
>> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
>>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
>>> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
>>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
>> 
>> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
>> Store".
>> 
>> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
>> developers' websites.
> 
> +1
> Nobody needs a Nanny.

I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
Firefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
really gets tiresome going through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
the Privacy & Security preference every time I want to launch a new app 
I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.

I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.

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#146444

On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
> 
> I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
> Firefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
> dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
> really gets tiresome going through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
> the Privacy & Security preference every time I want to launch a new app 
> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.

I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options 
still works in Ventura and Sonoma


Option 1:
Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the 
new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening 
an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you 
may need to use Option 2.


Option 2:
You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
   sudo spctl --master-disable
That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System 
Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app 
by double-clicking them as normal.
If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) 
after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal 
command
   sudo spctl --master-enable




> I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.

Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing 
the actual existing issues. It's getting even worse with all the 
useless "AI" nonsense being shovelled in now too.  :-(

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#146445

On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
>> 
>> I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
>> Firefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
>> dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
>> really gets tiresome going through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
>> the Privacy & Security preference every time I want to launch a new app 
>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
> 
> I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options 
> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
> 
> 
> Option 1:
> Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the 
> new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening 
> an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you 
> may need to use Option 2.
> 
> 
> Option 2:
> You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
>    sudo spctl --master-disable
> That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System 
> Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app 
> by double-clicking them as normal.
> If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) 
> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal 
> command
>    sudo spctl --master-enable

I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the 
2017 iMac set up the way I want.

Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make 
some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.

>> I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
> 
> Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing 
> the actual existing issues.

The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a 
pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by 
cell phone swiping.

And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on 
the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window. 
What a waste of screen real estate.

Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone 
doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.

(If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the 
Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate 
knowing.)

>  It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being 
> shovelled in now too.  :-(

Yeah I notice they're plugging the AI stuff pretty heavily if you go to 
www.apple.com/imac/

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#146446

On 2026-08-19 05:58:25 +0000, super70s said:
> On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
>> On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
>>> 
>>> I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
>>> irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
>>> dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
>>> really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
>>> the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app 
>>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
>> 
>> I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options 
>> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
>> 
>> 
>> Option 1:
>> Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the 
>> new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening 
>> an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you 
>> may need to use Option 2.
>> 
>> 
>> Option 2:
>> You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
>> sudo spctl --master-disable
>> That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System 
>> Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app 
>> by double-clicking them as normal.
>> If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) 
>> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal 
>> command
>> sudo spctl --master-enable
> 
> I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the 
> 2017 iMac set up the way I want.
> 
> Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make 
> some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
> 
>>> I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
>>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
>>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
>> 
>> Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing 
>> the actual existing issues.
> 
> The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a 
> pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by 
> cell phone swiping.

Again, I'm not sure if it still works in newer MacOS versions, but try 
holding down the Command key while double-clicking a folder in the 
Finder and it will open in a new window leaving the original window 
also still open. (You may need to first turn off the Finder > 
Preferences > General option for opening folders in tabs).



> And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on 
> the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window. 
> What a waste of screen real estate.
> 
> Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone 
> doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
> 
> (If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the 
> Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate 
> knowing.)

Depends what you mean by "more control"

TinkerTool / TinkerTool System and OnyX both let you change some of the 
'hidden' Finder preferences without going through the Terminal.

Tinker Tool: https://www.bresink.com/products.html
OnyX: https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html

There are numerous other little apps and preference panes that give 
extra features to MacOS.



>> It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being 
>> shovelled in now too.  :-(
> 
> Yeah I notice they're plugging the AI stuff pretty heavily if you go to 
> www.apple.com/imac/

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#146459

On 2026-08-19 06:27:54 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2026-08-19 05:58:25 +0000, super70s said:
>> On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
>>> On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
>>>> 
>>>> I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
>>>> irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
>>>> dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
>>>> really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
>>>> the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app 
>>>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
>>> 
>>> I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options 
>>> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Option 1:
>>> Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the 
>>> new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening 
>>> an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you 
>>> may need to use Option 2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Option 2:
>>> You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
>>> sudo spctl --master-disable
>>> That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System 
>>> Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app 
>>> by double-clicking them as normal.
>>> If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) 
>>> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal 
>>> command
>>> sudo spctl --master-enable
>> 
>> I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the 
>> 2017 iMac set up the way I want.
>> 
>> Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make 
>> some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
>> 
>>>> I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
>>>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
>>>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
>>> 
>>> Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing 
>>> the actual existing issues.
>> 
>> The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a 
>> pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by 
>> cell phone swiping.
> 
> Again, I'm not sure if it still works in newer MacOS versions, but try 
> holding down the Command key while double-clicking a folder in the 
> Finder and it will open in a new window leaving the original window 
> also still open. (You may need to first turn off the Finder > 
> Preferences > General option for opening folders in tabs).

I thought I might have found out a resolution for a folder opening a 
new window rather than a tab. I got into a long conversation with 
ChatGPT about it, and it suggested option-command-t to get rid of the 
window toolbar and sidebar which worked. However, that caused Fetch to 
crash when I tried to upload a file; Fetch apparently isn't compatible 
with that. So after several tests ChatGPT suggested and the same thing 
happening, I uninstalled Fetch with AppCleaner and reinstalled it (my 
suggestion, which it said was reasonable) and that got everything back 
to normal.

I told it I'd just do the option-double click contextual menu method 
for opening a new folder from a tab, there's apparently no easy 
solution in newer OS's unless you want to go digging around in the 
Terminal and that could cause other problems.

It's amazing though how ChatGPT knew exactly what to do and 
articulately it responded. You need 100 AI centers in every state for 
that advantage though, lol.

>> And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on 
>> the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window. 
>> What a waste of screen real estate.
>> 
>> Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone 
>> doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
>> 
>> (If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the 
>> Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate 
>> knowing.)
> 
> Depends what you mean by "more control"
> 
> TinkerTool / TinkerTool System and OnyX both let you change some of the 
> 'hidden' Finder preferences without going through the Terminal.
> 
> Tinker Tool: https://www.bresink.com/products.html
> OnyX: https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html

I asked ChatGPT about that and it said there's no way to do it with TInkerTool.

I'm kind of hesitant to use apps like TinkerTool and OnyX, they've 
messed with the permissions in other (older) OS's and I was lucky to 
bring the system back from near death a couple of times.

> There are numerous other little apps and preference panes that give 
> extra features to MacOS.
> 
> 
> 
>>> It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being 
>>> shovelled in now too.  :-(
>> 
>> Yeah I notice they're plugging the AI stuff pretty heavily if you go to 
>> www.apple.com/imac/

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#146461

On 2026-08-21 00:06:47 +0000, super70s said:
> On 2026-08-19 06:27:54 +0000, Your Name said:
>> On 2026-08-19 05:58:25 +0000, super70s said:
>>> On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
>>>> On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
>>>>> irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
>>>>> dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
>>>>> really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
>>>>> the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app 
>>>>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options 
>>>> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Option 1:
>>>> Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the 
>>>> new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening 
>>>> an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you 
>>>> may need to use Option 2.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Option 2:
>>>> You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
>>>> sudo spctl --master-disable
>>>> That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System 
>>>> Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app 
>>>> by double-clicking them as normal.
>>>> If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) 
>>>> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal 
>>>> command
>>>> sudo spctl --master-enable
>>> 
>>> I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the 
>>> 2017 iMac set up the way I want.
>>> 
>>> Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make 
>>> some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
>>> 
>>>>> I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
>>>>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
>>>>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
>>>> 
>>>> Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing 
>>>> the actual existing issues.
>>> 
>>> The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a 
>>> pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by 
>>> cell phone swiping.
>> 
>> Again, I'm not sure if it still works in newer MacOS versions, but try 
>> holding down the Command key while double-clicking a folder in the 
>> Finder and it will open in a new window leaving the original window 
>> also still open. (You may need to first turn off the Finder > 
>> Preferences > General option for opening folders in tabs).
> 
> I thought I might have found out a resolution for a folder opening a 
> new window rather than a tab. I got into a long conversation with 
> ChatGPT about it, and it suggested option-command-t to get rid of the 
> window toolbar and sidebar which worked. However, that caused Fetch to 
> crash when I tried to upload a file; Fetch apparently isn't compatible 
> with that. So after several tests ChatGPT suggested and the same thing 
> happening, I uninstalled Fetch with AppCleaner and reinstalled it (my 
> suggestion, which it said was reasonable) and that got everything back 
> to normal.
> 
> I told it I'd just do the option-double click contextual menu method 
> for opening a new folder from a tab, there's apparently no easy 
> solution in newer OS's unless you want to go digging around in the 
> Terminal and that could cause other problems.
> 
> It's amazing though how ChatGPT knew exactly what to do and 
> articulately it responded. You need 100 AI centers in every state for 
> that advantage though, lol.
> 
>>> And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on 
>>> the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window. 
>>> What a waste of screen real estate.
>>> 
>>> Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone 
>>> doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
>>> 
>>> (If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the 
>>> Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate 
>>> knowing.)
>> 
>> Depends what you mean by "more control"
>> 
>> TinkerTool / TinkerTool System and OnyX both let you change some of the 
>> 'hidden' Finder preferences without going through the Terminal.
>> 
>> Tinker Tool: https://www.bresink.com/products.html
>> OnyX: https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html
> 
> I asked ChatGPT about that and it said there's no way to do it with TInkerTool.
> 
> I'm kind of hesitant to use apps like TinkerTool and OnyX, they've 
> messed with the permissions in other (older) OS's and I was lucky to 
> bring the system back from near death a couple of times.

As long as you use the correct version of TinkerTool / OnyX for your 
version of MacOS, there shouldn't really be any problems. The biggest 
problem is usually the user wfidlling with settings they don't 
underdtans, but even then TinkerTool has a 'reset' that puts everything 
back to the factory defaults.

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#145280

On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:
> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> 
>> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
>> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
> 
> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
> Store".
> 
> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
> developers' websites.

Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps 
that the developers do not have on other websites.

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#145281

On 08.02.25 06:40, Your Name wrote:
> On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:
>> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
>>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
>>> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
>>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
>>
>> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
>> Store".
>>
>> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
>> developers' websites.
> 
> Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps 
> that the developers do not have on other websites.

My Macs update directly without the store.


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#145283

In article <vo6qo0$3u0bg$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
<YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:
> > On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
wrote:
> >> 
> >> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
> >> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
> >> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
> >> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
> > 
> > Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
> > Store".
> > 
> > Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
> > developers' websites.
> 
> Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps 
> that the developers do not have on other websites.

The App Store has always felt very poorly implemented. I don't mind the
concept of it in principle, but it feels very un-Apple in its clunkiness.

Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original
iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is
unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting
to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to
still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case
that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the
App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version
of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to
factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).

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#145286

On Feb 8, 2025 at 8:57:21 AM PST, "scole" <scole> wrote:

> In article <vo6qo0$3u0bg$1@dont-email.me>, Your Name
> <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2025-02-08 05:32:31 +0000, Tyrone said:
>>> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09 PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com>
> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
>>>> reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
>>>> for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
>>>> another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(
>>> 
>>> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
>>> Store".
>>> 
>>> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
>>> developers' websites.
>> 
>> Except MacOS itself, Apple's own apps (Pages, etc.), many other apps
>> that the developers do not have on other websites.
> 
> The App Store has always felt very poorly implemented. I don't mind the
> concept of it in principle, but it feels very un-Apple in its clunkiness.
> 
> Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original
> iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is
> unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting
> to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to
> still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case
> that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the
> App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version
> of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
> can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to
> factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).

My neighbor had one of these I pads she fished out of her closet while she was
attempting to Marie Kondo her condo. The last email we could see on it was
over 3 years ago and it wouldn't connect to Gmail any more. Nor would it
connect to iCloud or the Apple Store.

I couldn't factory reset it as it required logging into iCloud to do so. So I
told her to take it to the Apple Store and tell them to shred it.
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#145291

In article <kQQpP.19723$Dov4.1213@fx15.iad>, Percival John Hackworth
<pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:

> On Feb 8, 2025 at 8:57:21 AM PST, "scole" <scole> wrote:
> 
> > Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original
> > iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is
> > unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting
> > to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to
> > still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case
> > that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the
> > App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version
> > of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
> > can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to
> > factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).
> 
> My neighbor had one of these I pads she fished out of her closet while she was
> attempting to Marie Kondo her condo. The last email we could see on it was
> over 3 years ago and it wouldn't connect to Gmail any more. Nor would it
> connect to iCloud or the Apple Store.
> 
> I couldn't factory reset it as it required logging into iCloud to do so. So I
> told her to take it to the Apple Store and tell them to shred it.

This iPad ran two apps perfectly still; NewsTap, an iOS newsreader, and
NetFlix. If I had known that I wasn't going to be able to be able to get
back into the App Store to get these two specific apps again, I wouldn't
have done the factory reset... Lesson learned there, research better
before doing anything irreversible...

I did look into jailbreaking it but I went round and round in circles on
that for several evenings, reading confusing and contradictory wikis and
following dead links, so I gave up. The iPad is in a storage bin in my
garage, and will likely stay there forever more.

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#146442

On 2/15/2025 11:25 AM, scole wrote:
> In article <kQQpP.19723$Dov4.1213@fx15.iad>, Percival John Hackworth
> <pjh@nanoworks.com> wrote:
> 
>> On Feb 8, 2025 at 8:57:21 AM PST, "scole" <scole> wrote:
>>
>>> Kinda related gripe; I have a fully-functioning, near-pristine original
>>> iPad that I haven't been able to do a damn thing with for years as it is
>>> unable to connect to the App Store, they cut its iOS off from connecting
>>> to it. In an ideal world, Apple would allow for these outdated machines to
>>> still connect and access older versions of apps (it used to be the case
>>> that I could buy/download an app on my modern iPhone, and then visit the
>>> App Store on the iPad and be able to download an older, compatible version
>>> of the app - this squeezed a few more years of use out of my iPad but
>>> can't even do that now, and I didn't realise that until I had reset it to
>>> factory settings and went to grab a few key apps...).
>>
>> My neighbor had one of these I pads she fished out of her closet while she was
>> attempting to Marie Kondo her condo. The last email we could see on it was
>> over 3 years ago and it wouldn't connect to Gmail any more. Nor would it
>> connect to iCloud or the Apple Store.
>>
>> I couldn't factory reset it as it required logging into iCloud to do so. So I
>> told her to take it to the Apple Store and tell them to shred it.
> 
> This iPad ran two apps perfectly still; NewsTap, an iOS newsreader, and
> NetFlix. If I had known that I wasn't going to be able to be able to get
> back into the App Store to get these two specific apps again, I wouldn't
> have done the factory reset... Lesson learned there, research better
> before doing anything irreversible...
> 
> I did look into jailbreaking it but I went round and round in circles on
> that for several evenings, reading confusing and contradictory wikis and
> following dead links, so I gave up. The iPad is in a storage bin in my
> garage, and will likely stay there forever more.
i dont know about any of that there is many YouTubers with tutorials on 
how to jailbreak that iPad and side-load .IPA files unto it and i in the 
past was even able to downgrade the iPad 1st gen to iOS 3.2.2 and still 
access bluesky and the like through a bridge and even play YouTube via a 
patch i have currently a iPod touch 5G running iOS 6.1.3 and its 
jailbroken with quite a few apps i mostly use it to play Doodle Jump and 
read classical literature via iBooks i also have a iPhone 5C running iOS 
7.1.2 via a tethered downgrade and it works great for most stuff

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#145285

In comp.sys.mac.system Tyrone <none@none.none> wrote:
> On Feb 7, 2025 at 6:53:09?PM EST, "Your Name" <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:

> > 
> > It's not clear if this is a temporary problem or a permananent one. One
> > reason why having apps only downloadable from one source is a problem
> > for those of us still using perfectly working older devices - it's just
> > another part of enforced obsolescence by tech companies.  :-(

> Who cares?  The Mac "App Store" is even more useless than the Windows "App
> Store". 

> Neither is necessary.  Everthing you want/need can be downloaded from the
> developers' websites.

Not always. :(
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