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Re: [NEWS] Mac App Store broken for old versions of macOS

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On 2026-08-19 06:27:54 +0000, Your Name said:

> On 2026-08-19 05:58:25 +0000, super70s said:
>> On 2026-08-19 00:05:18 +0000, Your Name said:
>>> On 2026-08-18 23:18:48 +0000, super70s said:
>>>> 
>>>> I just bought a 2017 iMac running Ventura (so I can run the latest 
>>>> irefox), right beside it is a 2014 iMac running Mojave. I've been 
>>>> dowloading a lot of new apps that will run on the 2017 iMac and it 
>>>> really gets tiresome oing through the kabuki dance of "Open Anyway" in 
>>>> the Privacy & Security reference every time I want to launch a new app 
>>>> I downloaded from MacUpdate.com.
>>> 
>>> I'm still using High Sierra, but according to some places these options 
>>> still works in Ventura and Sonoma
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Option 1:
>>> Instead of double-clicking a newly installed app, right click on the 
>>> new app and choose "Open", then confirm you understand you're opening 
>>> an 'unknown' app. Usually this works, but for some stubborn apps you 
>>> may need to use Option 2.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Option 2:
>>> You can turn off Gatekeeper by using the Terminal command
>>> sudo spctl --master-disable
>>> That reinstates the hidden "Anywhere" option as the default in System 
>>> Settings > Privacy & Security to let you more easily open any new app 
>>> by double-clicking them as normal.
>>> If you want to turn GateKeeper back on (and hide the "Anywhere" option) 
>>> after new app has been opened for the first time, use the Terminal 
>>> command
>>> sudo spctl --master-enable
>> 
>> I really don't d/l new apps all that often, I've pretty much got the 
>> 2017 iMac set up the way I want.
>> 
>> Ventura won't support the old 32-bit Intel software so I had to make 
>> some updates and find some alternatives for a few favorite apps.
>> 
>>>> I'll have to say I enjoy working on the 2014 iMac running Mojave better 
>>>> than working in Ventura. Why does Apple keep making their desktop GUI's 
>>>> weirder as time goes on? The iPhone revolution I guess.
>>> 
>>> Because Apple keeps adding more and more gimmickry, rather than fixing 
>>> the actual existing issues.
>> 
>> The biggest PITB about Ventura is you have to option-click to get a 
>> pop-up for a folder to open in a new window. That has to be inspired by 
>> cell phone swiping.
> 
> Again, I'm not sure if it still works in newer MacOS versions, but try 
> holding down the Command key while double-clicking a folder in the 
> Finder and it will open in a new window leaving the original window 
> also still open. (You may need to first turn off the Finder > 
> Preferences > General option for opening folders in tabs).

I thought I might have found out a resolution for a folder opening a 
new window rather than a tab. I got into a long conversation with 
ChatGPT about it, and it suggested option-command-t to get rid of the 
window toolbar and sidebar which worked. However, that caused Fetch to 
crash when I tried to upload a file; Fetch apparently isn't compatible 
with that. So after several tests ChatGPT suggested and the same thing 
happening, I uninstalled Fetch with AppCleaner and reinstalled it (my 
suggestion, which it said was reasonable) and that got everything back 
to normal.

I told it I'd just do the option-double click contextual menu method 
for opening a new folder from a tab, there's apparently no easy 
solution in newer OS's unless you want to go digging around in the 
Terminal and that could cause other problems.

It's amazing though how ChatGPT knew exactly what to do and 
articulately it responded. You need 100 AI centers in every state for 
that advantage though, lol.

>> And no window can be any smaller than the largest window you have on 
>> the computer, or you have to scroll to see icons on the largest window. 
>> What a waste of screen real estate.
>> 
>> Crazy stuff IMO, just because something works better on an iPhone 
>> doesn't mean it translates on a desktop.
>> 
>> (If anybody knows of any extensions to give you more control over the 
>> Finder in Ventura and other more modern OS versions I would appreciate 
>> knowing.)
> 
> Depends what you mean by "more control"
> 
> TinkerTool / TinkerTool System and OnyX both let you change some of the 
> 'hidden' Finder preferences without going through the Terminal.
> 
> Tinker Tool: https://www.bresink.com/products.html
> OnyX: https://www.titanium-software.fr/en/onyx.html

I asked ChatGPT about that and it said there's no way to do it with TInkerTool.

I'm kind of hesitant to use apps like TinkerTool and OnyX, they've 
messed with the permissions in other (older) OS's and I was lucky to 
bring the system back from near death a couple of times.

> There are numerous other little apps and preference panes that give 
> extra features to MacOS.
> 
> 
> 
>>> It's getting even worse with all the useless "AI" nonsense being 
>>> shovelled in now too.  :-(
>> 
>> Yeah I notice they're plugging the AI stuff pretty heavily if you go to 
>> www.apple.com/imac/

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