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Re: Return of the Applets?

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On 4/6/2015 6:33 PM, Joshua Cranmer 🐧 wrote:
> On 4/6/2015 2:09 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> The only valid measurement for how popular a language is has always been
>> lines of code written.  Of course, you can come up with any metric you
>> want - number of jobs advertised, number of classes offered, search
>> engine results or whatever.  But when it comes down to the actual
>> writing of code, LOC is considered the measurement.  And for years,
>> COBOL has been #1, with RPG close behind.
> 
> Nope, LOC is not necessarily a good metric--one line of APL does far
> more work than one line of assembly (and certainly takes more man-hours
> to write). There's also no consistent definition of LOC.
> 
> I also hard it find to believe that more COBOL was written in 2014 than
> Java or C--given that there is at least an order of magnitude more job
> openings for the latter, that would imply that COBOL programmers are an
> order of magnitude more productive than Java programmers. I tried
> looking up a possible reference, but I came to a citation of a page
> which didn't include the number of new lines of code that also lists a
> copyright date of 1996 (and a "best viewed with Netscape 3.0" button).
> 
>> And an Excel spreadsheet is not considered by anyone (even Microsoft) to
>> be a programming language.
> 
> <http://webguide.cs.colorado.edu:3232/dlc-2006/uploads/63/end-user%20software%20engineering%20with%20assertions%20in%20the%20speradsheet%20paradigm.pdf>
> is the first research paper I found after about 2 seconds of searching.
> Just search for "spreadsheet engineering," and you'll find several
> papers that treat spreadsheets as programming languages with the worst
> IDEs imaginable.
> 

LOC has been used as a measurement standard for the 47+ years I've been
programming.  You may not think it's a good measurement, but the experts
in the field pretty much all agree on it.

And job openings is NOT a good measure of how much code is written.  The
typical COBOL programmer works for a large company with good benefits
and a stable work environment.  And when they need programmers, these
companies do not advertise on Craig's List.

In fact, I would say the number of Java job openings is an indication of
a poor work environment - there's way too much turnover in the market.

And I don't see a single place in your reference where Excel is
considered a programming language.  It does support macros and
expressions - but it is not a programming language in itself.  Not the
mention the fact the authors are completely unknown in the programming
world.

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Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 09:46 -0400
  Re: Return of the Applets? Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-05 13:12 -0400
  Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 15:14 -0400
    Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 16:41 -0400
      Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 16:54 -0400
        Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 17:08 -0400
          Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 17:17 -0400
            Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 17:30 -0400
              Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 17:42 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 17:52 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 18:17 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2015-04-06 11:26 +0200
    Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:23 -0500
      Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 15:09 -0400
        Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 17:33 -0500
          Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 17:44 -0400
            Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 19:10 -0500
              Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 20:03 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 21:36 -0500
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 09:11 -0400
            Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-06 23:25 +0000
              Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 19:59 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 13:29 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 10:45 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 15:51 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 13:16 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 20:22 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 17:03 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2015-04-07 11:34 -0500
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 13:18 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2015-04-07 12:40 -0500
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 17:06 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 20:28 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 17:11 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 23:00 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 19:25 -0400
  Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:09 -0500

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