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Re: Return of the Applets?

From Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net>
Newsgroups comp.lang.java.programmer
Subject Re: Return of the Applets?
Date 2015-04-05 18:17 -0400
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On 4/5/2015 5:52 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
> On 4/5/2015 5:42 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>> On 4/5/2015 5:30 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2015 5:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>> On 4/5/2015 5:08 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>> On 4/5/2015 4:54 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/5/2015 4:41 PM, Arne Vajhøj wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/5/2015 3:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2015 1:31 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> writes:
>>>>>>>>>> You're mixing apples and oranges.  Java is NOT JavaScript - or
>>>>>>>>>> vice
>>>>>>>>>> versa.  They are two different languages with two different
>>>>>>>>>> purposes.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       That must be some kind of reflex some people can't control!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       But no one has claimed that Java was JavaScript. Relax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, but you are comparing them - which is like comparing apples and
>>>>>>>> oranges.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They were compared as languages for running code in browser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A perfectly valid comparison.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But Java does not "run in the browser".  It runs in an extension,
>>>>>> loaded
>>>>>> by the browser.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As opposed to JavaScript - which runs natively in most browsers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A very important distinction.
>>>>>
>>>>> A relevant distinction in some contexts.
>>>>>
>>>>> But not relevant in this context.
>>>>>
>>>>> The discussion was about access to screen and the ability to support
>>>>> RWS.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 100% relevant in this conversation - but since it contradicts your
>>>> argument, you have to claim it's unimportant.
>>>
>>> So how does the the fact that JavaScript comes from the browser vendor
>>> while the Java plugin comes from Oracle impact the Stefan's conclusion
>>> about support for RWD and what it means for Java?
> 
> I can understand that you don't want to try to explain that.
>

I can understand why you don't see what is a major difference.

>>>>>>> Just like comparing apples and oranges is a perfectly valid
>>>>>>> comparsion
>>>>>>> when discussing what fruits you think taste the best.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> None of which explains why you brought the Java != JavaScript
>>>>>>> discussion
>>>>>>> into the picture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It does when you're comparing two entirely different languages with
>>>>>> different goals and different implementations.
>>>>>
>>>>> So if someone is comparing C++ and objective-C in a specific context
>>>>> then you also want to point out that it is two different languages??
>>>>>
>>>>> I would not.
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither for those two or for Java and JavaScript.
>>>>
>>>> Yes they are.
>>>
>>> Did you read the question?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, I read the question.  Did YOU?  Or, more importantly - are you
>> capable of UNDERSTANDING the claims?  It doesn't look like it.
> 
> Question: So if someone is comparing C++ and objective-C in a specific
> context then you also want to point out that it is two different
> languages??
> 
> Answer: Yes they are.
> 
> The question was about what you would do. So an answer to the question
> would either be that you would do it or that you you would not do it.
> The question was not whether it was two different languages.
> 

Which is what I answered.  I tried to make it so simple even YOU could
understand that - but I see I failed there, also.

>>>>>>>>>> The ONLY thing they have in common are the letters "J", "v"
>>>>>>>>>> and two
>>>>>>>>>> "a"s.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       But since you insist, let me give you some factual
>>>>>>>>> information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>           - Both are trademarks of Oracle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It proves that your claim:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> #The ONLY thing they have in common are the letters "J", "v" and two
>>>>>>> "a"s.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> is wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I guess you're just being a pedantic troll than, Arne.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since when has it been considered trolling to point out that
>>>>> claims made are flat out wrong??
>>>>
>>>> When you split hairs to contradict a bigger point.  It's a mark of a
>>>> pedantic troll.
>>>
>>> You started a completely irrelevant sub-thread. And it is splitting
>>> hairs to point out that besides irrelevant then it was also wrong.
>>>
>>> :-)
>>
>> Nope, it was completely relevant to the subject at hand.  But you don't
>> understand that.
>>
>> But then another indicator of a pedantic troll is selectively snipping
>> information which contradicts what her has to say.  Like you did (again)
>> here.
> 
> I believe I only snipped signature and your remarks about another group
> which I don't think provide any substance in this discussion.
> 
> Arne
> 
> 

You snipped more than that.  But then I wouldn't expect you to admit to it.

And mentioning that you are known as a pedantic troll in at least one
other newsgroup is definitely pertinent to any discussion where you are
acting in a similar manner.

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Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 09:46 -0400
  Re: Return of the Applets? Jeff Higgins <jeff@invalid.invalid> - 2015-04-05 13:12 -0400
  Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 15:14 -0400
    Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 16:41 -0400
      Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 16:54 -0400
        Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 17:08 -0400
          Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 17:17 -0400
            Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 17:30 -0400
              Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 17:42 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Arne Vajhøj <arne@vajhoej.dk> - 2015-04-05 17:52 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-05 18:17 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Luuk <luuk@invalid.lan> - 2015-04-06 11:26 +0200
    Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:23 -0500
      Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 15:09 -0400
        Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 17:33 -0500
          Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 17:44 -0400
            Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 19:10 -0500
              Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 20:03 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 21:36 -0500
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 09:11 -0400
            Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-06 23:25 +0000
              Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-06 19:59 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 13:29 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 10:45 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 15:51 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 13:16 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 20:22 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 17:03 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2015-04-07 11:34 -0500
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 13:18 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Leif Roar Moldskred <leifm@huldreskog.localdomain> - 2015-04-07 12:40 -0500
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 17:06 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 20:28 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 17:11 -0400
                Re: Return of the Applets? Martin Gregorie <martin@address-in-sig.invalid> - 2015-04-07 23:00 +0000
                Re: Return of the Applets? Jerry Stuckle <jstucklex@attglobal.net> - 2015-04-07 19:25 -0400
  Re: Return of the Applets? Joshua Cranmer 🐧 <Pidgeot18@verizon.invalid> - 2015-04-06 13:09 -0500

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