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On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 02:53:17 -0800 (PST) "Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, February 24, 2016 at 3:03:25 PM UTC-8, Rod Pemberton > wrote: > > On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:12:55 -0800 (PST) > > "Alexei A. Frounze" <...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:20:56 AM UTC-8, Rod Pemberton > > > wrote: > > > > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:56:36 -0800 (PST) > > > > "Alexei A. Frounze" <...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:55:25 AM UTC-8, Rod > > > > > Pemberton wrote: [...] > I'm not sure your words should be taken as medical advice. :) > There probably are better ways to deal with certain things > than electroshock, lobotomy, etc. Like I said, one would > need a doc to figure out what's going on and what can be > done. A high school acquaintance of mine was suicidal. They treated him with electroshock but only after nothing else worked to eliminate his tendencies. I.e., medication failed, psychology failed, ... > > Of course, I don't recommend anyone take drugs illicit > > or prescribed that affect the human mind. However, they > > do help some people. > > Apparently, experiences change the brain too. :) > Yes, you can watch other people do stupid, daredevil stuff on Youtube, and be just as thrilled without the danger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQ_IQS3VKjA#t=3m40s In just a few years, stuff like that will be filmed in 3D and delivered via VR ... Just imagine a movie theater without any screens, but a whole bunch of people wearing headsets. > > Is someone like that going to go to medical care for > > a required yearly mental evaluation? No. > > Someone like who/what? Required why? What's your point? > It was in regards to now snipped content: > > If someone is in such a state, do they even recognize the > > importance of them not being there? I.e., it implies that > > people need a yearly mental health evaluation. I doubt > > that anyone would sign up for that. It implies that you > > know there is something wrong with you which needs fixing. > > This would have to be forced upon people. The guy you cited likely wouldn't be helped by the medical community unless 1) he was forced to have a medical evaluation yearly and determined to be in need of help or 2) he eventually self-admitted himself to a hospital or psychologist. > (And the say, btw, soon the US > will be a minority majority The predominant race of the majority in the U.S. might switch, or change or "merge," yes. Scientists think we'll all look like people in South America in due time. And, some scientists are claiming that genetically modifying humans, with chlorophyll, will solve the world's presumed future food shortage. So, we'll be green looking too ... ;-) > minority majority (did I get the word order right? > )). Probably not ... Scientists have claimed that for generations. I.e., blacks will overtake whites in America. Now, they're saying it won't be blacks, but it'll be Hispanics, except many of them are voluntarily returning to Central and South America, or are being permanently deported. Time will tell. > What I was saying is that people don't > always share their problems (real physical pains included) and > miss out on help and then when they do share they sometimes get > put down instead of getting help. Yes, so that guy you cited, really needed to be forced to get help, correct? ;-) > Putting aside what truth is, if you had a problem and you > knew it could be solved or alleviated, wouldn't you want that? That depends on the side-effects of the solution. If the solution is to amputate an arm to eliminate incurable elbow pain, I might think twice about a cure. If I'm a successful author and playwright, but only while I'm drunk, I might think twice about a cure. If I'm a rich, abusive asshole and the solution to my deep seated fears is to be hypnotized into being a polite and upstanding citizen, I might think twice. If the solution is lobotomy or electroshock, then the symptoms must be considered to be substantially worse, e.g., death. > People like that man from the video don't know what they don't > know for a long time. They wish their problems gone, but they > don't know what the problems really are and what can be done > about them. They don't want to embrace their suffering or > their negative impact on the people around them (e.g. like > that man not showing up for work for days). How would he find out in a timely manner without someone forcing him to take a yearly mental examination? > > I think there are a handful of problems affecting the rights > > or equality of homosexuals. First, most religions indoctrinate > > people that homosexuality is a sin, essentially a religious > > crime, and much of the world is either Christian or Muslim. > > Second, much common law is based upon religious beliefs. Third, > > some governments are based entirely on religious beliefs, > > especially the Ten Commandments. Fourth, continued victimization > > of children by pedophilic priests in established churches > > ensures that homosexuality continues to be demonized by major > > religions. Fifth, countries like the U.S. and Russia see > > marriage as a long-standing institution between men and women, > > and should not be allowed same sex couples. Sixth, in the U.S., > > applying equal equality laws can weaken the rights of the > > government to outlaw and punish other undesirable human behaviors, > > such as murder, rape, incest, pedophilia, etc. Seventh, in free > > and democratic countries, majority rule is the norm, and not > > demands by the minority, e.g., by homosexuals, even if based > > on laws of equality. > > What's your point? You brought up acceptance and non-acceptance of homosexuals with: > Does your congregation still thinks gays are bad > or need to be "cured" or deserve hate, beating, death? I was describing what I see as problems interfering with their widespread acceptance in the U.S. > > > Or does it only think gays are smaller persons than anyone > > > else and maybe that it's OK to belittle and ridicule them > > > or teach them how to live their gay lives? Or is that one > > > that's a bit more progressive in the question and appears > > > in the list here?: > > > [link] > > > It's just one example, where we as society still aren't > > > doing well. > > > > Ironic? You're from what country again? Wasn't it Russia? > > IIRC, you attended a Moscow university. > > And your point is? You cited society, i.e., U.S. society, not doing well in regards to gays (and lesbians), but you're from a society (Russia) which is doing worse in that regard. Don't you find that to be ironic? I do. > > What do you think about > > Russia discriminating against homosexuals by outlawing their > > behavior? ... Is Russia the future or the past in this > > regard? ... > > And your point is? I was asking your opinion in regards to Russia, since you seem supportive of gays (and lesbians) in U.S. society. Do you not also support gays (and lesbians) in Russian society? If not, why the bias? > Some scholars put the sin of homosexuality into the context "sin of homosexuality" What's that? And, what's sin? ... AIR, the Bible doesn't say homosexuality is a sin. Church leaders do. In fact, the bible says that only Jewish, male, virgins make it into Heaven, which would imply that God is either a male pederast, or possibly a female pedophile. Neither of these is acceptable to any church, for different reasons, i.e., a homosexual God or a female God are both unacceptable. That's if the Bible is true, as most Christians and Muslims believe it is: Revelation 7:4 (144K Jewish children) Revelation 14:1 (144K who stand with Christ) Revelation 14:3 (144K sing a song) Revelation 14:4 (144K male Virgins) > Some scholars put the sin of homosexuality into the context > of a people struggling for freedom from oppression and > persecution, I would not classify racism or homosexuality as a form of oppression and persecution. By comparison, they're nowhere near as extreme. I would classify slavery as oppression and persecution, which was a long-standing practice in Africa, not initiated by white men. > IOW, it not being sinful per se but being a > waste when every person counts and the count needs to be > bigger to gain strength. ... > Why would you need more people in the US or Russia now? Russia is mostly empty. Large parts of the U.S. is too, but not like Russia. Russia could easily form three or four countries, without much economic effect in Moscow. Military issues might be a different matter. Some things may be badly located. > For another world domination war? Number-wise we both > lose to China. Salvation through technology or partnership? ... I doubt that either government would consider the latter, unless forced by China. > > > It's not necessarily just the demand from future employees. > > > The world is entering post-industrial economy and the society > > > needs to follow. Good jobs are increasingly more intellectual > > > and less unskilled or physically laborious. > > > > I disagree. The need is still there. The jobs have just > > shifted to countries with lower labor costs. I.e., such > > jobs are building the middle-class in Mexico and China, and > > soon, India and Africa, but this won't go on forever. > > With what exactly do you disagree as I don't disagree with > your statements on the shift and forever? 1) You classified the entire world as entering post-industrial economy, not just the developed world. 2) You said good jobs are increasingly more intellectual and less unskilled or physically laborious, which is true in the developed world, but not so in underdeveloped regions. > Or are you suggesting that those Americans who have trouble > getting a job in the US should simply move to other countries, > e.g. the aforementioned Mexico, China, India and African > countries? Btw, some do, but I think most won't ever. Some jobs are returning, but most of them never will. It's too late to turn back the clock. The jobs were exported. They're not being replaced. This goes toward the demand for a college degree by the less-than-qualified. > But I'm still not holding breath for strong > AI or however-else-qualified AI. What? Even given the negative outcome, it's worth a fortune to governments and businesses. Imagine what the U.S., Russia, China, or Iran would pay for a machine with the mind of 100,000 geniuses. > > > That's an important aspect as well. And if you think about it, > > > the particular combination of the two probably only furthers > > > the inequality divide. > > > > As I've indicated above, I don't think there will be an inequality > > divide going forward. I foresee everyone not having any type of > > work in the future. There will be people with small sums of money > > which will quickly deplete, and those with larger sums that will > > deplete more slowly. Those with larger sums, including world > > governments, simply cannot afford to provide for everyone forever. > > If all the wealth of the billionaires in the world is confiscated, > > it will only provide 10% of one year's worth of the global wealth > > product, or world's global domestic product. How does the world > > survive without capitalism? ... > > How does the world survive with capitalism? :) It builds and produces everything. Men would not do what is required without money or being forced or conned. > I mean, what features of it in particular are key for survival? By survival, I'll take it you mean modern survival and not subsistence farming, hunting, and harvesting. None of those, in conjunction, will support the current world populace. So, monetary exchange. How do you obtain a can of corn without money involved in the transaction? Steal? Barter? Work? These are all inefficient in terms of both time and money. How does a great poet have time to write, painter to paint, etc if he must spend all day in the fields to survive? > And are they unique to it? Yes, efficiency is. At least, efficiency is provided by capitalism in terms of properly allocated capital, most of the time. You can never eliminate overzealous people. > So why is the "middle class" smaller now? More people in poverty. More people on government support. Rod Pemberton
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