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Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI

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On Wed, 24 Feb 2016 02:12:55 -0800 (PST)
"Alexei A. Frounze" <alexfrunews@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 at 1:20:56 AM UTC-8, Rod Pemberton
> wrote:
> > On Tue, 16 Feb 2016 03:56:36 -0800 (PST)
> > "Alexei A. Frounze" <...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 2:55:25 AM UTC-8, Rod Pemberton
> > > wrote:  

<OT>
  
> > > It can even be that there's time and money, but the person
> > > thinks they have more important things than their own health
> > > or they are depressed and need a bit of help, a push and/or
> > > company.  
> > 
> > If someone decides to take that path, it's their choice.
> > They don't need to take that path.  They only need to pick
> > one working solution:
> > 
> > Family. Friends. Competition. Religion. Psychiatry. Drugs.  
> 
> What about this guy?:
> [ADHD, BiPolar, depressed]

Didn't watch the video, but that dude is messed up.
Electroshock.  Seriously, they'll still use it on you in
the U.S., if you're known to be suicidal, which I would
suspect he'll be someday.

Or, perhaps, he wants to try an alternative home remedy,
such as psilocybin (mushroom drug) since recent research
shows that use of certain psychoactive drugs rebuilds
neuronal connections in the brain, which can eliminate
such symptoms.  Another one rumored to do the same is
dimethehyltryptamine (DMT) made from the bark of a tree
or leaves of vines in South America.

http://www.businessinsider.com/magic-mushrooms-change-brain-connections-2014-10
http://www.livescience.com/48502-magic-mushrooms-change-brain-networks.html

Of course, I don't recommend anyone take drugs illicit
or prescribed that affect the human mind.  However, they
do help some people.

> While he may be not be the most representative (AD&(H)D,
> bipolar, depressed), many get into similar holes and it
> takes them quite a lot of time, effort, courage, shame
> and so on to get out of there and well again, to
> recognize a problem, to decide to do something about it,
> to actually do that something and stabilize. Some fail
> and never recover. If your family and friends (and maybe
> church) aren't close and friendly enough, if you're
> alone, if you're in denial ("it can't be happening to me,
> I'm not a psycho"), if you feel down and powerless,
> what do you do if anything? You keep doing whatever
> you've been doing until something happens that either
> breaks or helps you. Right? Or you're a lucky person to
> have never been in such a position or to have always
> been rescued quickly enough?

Is someone like that going to go to medical care for
a required yearly mental evaluation?  No.

> > > Often times we don't take much interest in each
> > > others well being or help each other or even are
> > > able to ask for help and listen and hear one another.  
> > 
> > Too many people are talkers and don't listen.
> > Is there a drug to fix them?  
> 
> Drug? No. But differently structured society will likely
> do the trick.

Why should the majority of society suffer due to the needs
of the minority?

> > > I don't think that this is necessarily incompatible with
> > > capitalism and everyone must be forced to deal with problems
> > > of such importance and such common occurrences on their own.
> > > I think it's fixable.  
> > 
> > If someone is in such a state, do they even recognize the
> > importance of them not being there?  I.e., it implies that
> > people need a yearly mental health evaluation.  I doubt
> > that anyone would sign up for that.  It implies that you
> > know there is something wrong with you which needs fixing.
> > This would have to be forced upon people.  
> 
> See, that's one big problem with our society. We are too
> quickly to judge and stigmatize and punish one another for
> no good reason. People are generally aware of this and are
> uneasy about entrusting others their thoughts, feelings,
> pains, etc. Does your congregation still thinks gays are bad
> or need to be "cured" or deserve hate, beating, death?

I have no congregation.  I'm non-religious.  I have no known
psychological issues.  I deal with reality as it is.  I don't
embrace this as life is difficult and full of pain.  I don't
attempt to change it either.  Doing so is a way to lie to
yourself about reality, perhaps for reasons of self-empowerment,
but ineffective nonetheless.  I believe accepting the truth
and progressing from there is the best course of action.

I think there are a handful of problems affecting the rights
or equality of homosexuals.  First, most religions indoctrinate
people that homosexuality is a sin, essentially a religious
crime, and much of the world is either Christian or Muslim.
Second, much common law is based upon religious beliefs.  Third,
some governments are based entirely on religious beliefs,
especially the Ten Commandments.  Fourth, continued victimization
of children by pedophilic priests in established churches
ensures that homosexuality continues to be demonized by major
religions.  Fifth, countries like the U.S. and Russia see
marriage as a long-standing institution between men and women,
and should not be allowed same sex couples.  Sixth, in the U.S.,
applying equal equality laws can weaken the rights of the
government to outlaw and punish other undesirable human behaviors,
such as murder, rape, incest, pedophilia, etc.  Seventh, in free
and democratic countries, majority rule is the norm, and not
demands by the minority, e.g., by homosexuals, even if based
on laws of equality.

> Or does it only think gays are smaller persons than anyone
> else and maybe that it's OK to belittle and ridicule them
> or teach them how to live their gay lives? Or is that one
> that's a bit more progressive in the question and appears
> in the list here?:
> [link]
> It's just one example, where we as society still aren't
> doing well.

Ironic?  You're from what country again?  Wasn't it Russia?
IIRC, you attended a Moscow university.  What do you think about
Russia discriminating against homosexuals by outlawing their
behavior? ...  Is Russia the future or the past in this regard? ...

> > > Now, on education and loans. Have you looked at the costs of
> > > higher education in the US over the past 50 years? They are
> > > growing like crazy. Is education improving or is it helping
> > > people get the knowledge/skills for the job better than a
> > > decade or two ago? Probably not.  
> > 
> > Education isn't improving.  Demand is.  When my dad received
> > his first degree, only 1% of the U.S. populace had university
> > degrees.  By the time I graduated from high school, almost
> > 25% of the U.S. populace had a degree.  Today, it's rumored
> > to be nearly 50% of the younger generation.  Major universities
> > have become degree mills.  It's clear that by intelligence
> > alone that the U.S. shouldn't have so many people with degrees.
> > Without the intelligence appropriate for the degree, a person
> > will be incompetent.  This is being driven by the demand
> > for "white collar" (desk or office) jobs.  That demand has
> > exploded since "blue collar" (manual labor) jobs were exported
> > to China and Mexico etc via free trade agreements.  
> 
> It's not necessarily just the demand from future employees.
> The world is entering post-industrial economy and the society
> needs to follow. Good jobs are increasingly more intellectual
> and less unskilled or physically laborious.

I disagree.  The need is still there.  The jobs have just
shifted to countries with lower labor costs.  I.e., such
jobs are building the middle-class in Mexico and China, and
soon, India and Africa, but this won't go on forever.

> If your job can
> be outsourced to e.g. Asia or Africa or be done by a machine,
> you (will) have no job.

I agree.  That's a serious problem.  You must be a worker
to be a consumer.  Without workers, there are no consumers.
Without consumers, there is no economy, no capitalism.  What
do you do with seven or ten billion people who have no jobs
because industrialization and robotization and artificial
intelligence eliminated all of their jobs?  Do we revert to
socialism or communism, but worldwide?  Without capitalism,
I see no way out of this conundrum.

> And if you have no job, how do you
> make a living? So, either you need one of those jobs that
> require some education and skill or there must be someone or
> something that'll provide for you if you can't get and hold
> a job to be self-sufficient.

Education isn't the solution.  Artificial intelligence will
eliminate the need for educated workers also.

> That's an important aspect as well. And if you think about it,
> the particular combination of the two probably only furthers
> the inequality divide.

As I've indicated above, I don't think there will be an inequality
divide going forward.  I foresee everyone not having any type of
work in the future.  There will be people with small sums of money
which will quickly deplete, and those with larger sums that will
deplete more slowly.  Those with larger sums, including world
governments, simply cannot afford to provide for everyone forever.
If all the wealth of the billionaires in the world is confiscated,
it will only provide 10% of one year's worth of the global wealth
product, or world's global domestic product.  How does the world
survive without capitalism? ...

> > > There's a problem in the education system (many, actually).
> > > And it needs to be addressed.  
> > 
> > Yes.
> > 
> > E.g., cheating by U.S. fraternities is a serious continuing
> > issue.  It allows people who otherwise couldn't earn a degree
> > through effort or intellect to obtain one with excellent grades.  
> 
> I'm not sure here. I mean, there are multiple issues at play
> here. Just one thing, doesn't a more expensive education make
> students (and parents) think that the money spent should not
> be wasted ('cause it's too much to waste) and if things aren't
> working very well that somehow justifies cheating?
> Cheating is a rather broad subject and the above is just one
> part of it.
> 

According to recent articles, there has been a tremendous shift
to government provided college funding in the U.S..  So, the
psychological "cost" or barrier of obtaining funds for a chance
at a "better" life or advantageous financial opportunity is
very minimal.  It's the reality, paying back government loans,
where the younger generation, "millenials", are crying foul.
Past generations were partially subsidized by the savings of
their "blue collar" parents, but with a much smaller working
class, most of these young adults have to pay off these loans
entirely by themselves.  They don't like that.  These loans
are too easy for them to get.  The universities are generating
far too many degrees because of easy government financing.

> Maybe not everyone needs a degree after all (advanced or
> not). But then, like I said, if you have no job or if your
> job has a lousy pay, there must be way for you to get the
> basic necessities of life. I can't see how we're going to
> deal with the "unwanted" people going forward, if they get
> neither jobs nor support of the rest of the society. They
> didn't earn it (said support), correct. But. Any buts?
> Or should we "humanely" ignore problems of these people or
> even get rid of these people altogether?

I agree.  See some comments above.  There will be an abundance
of unemployed in the future if something doesn't change.


Rod Pemberton

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    Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-04 17:00 +0100
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        Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 14:05 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-05 15:17 +0100
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:35 +0200
              Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 16:28 +0100
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 19:14 +0200
                Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-10-06 20:02 +0100
          Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "wolfgang kern" <nowhere@never.at> - 2015-10-06 10:46 +0200
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI "Rod Pemberton" <boo@fasdfrewar.cdm> - 2015-10-07 01:16 -0400
            Re: Flow of keystroke messages in a UI James Harris <james.harris.1@gmail.com> - 2015-12-27 12:50 +0000
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