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Re: climate change

From Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: climate change
Date 2023-01-14 10:07 +0100
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On 2023-01-14 08:54:42 +0000, Thomas Heger said:

> Am 13.01.2023 um 17:21 schrieb Volney:
> 
>>>>> No. What we see today does not reflect any reality, neither now nor
>>>>> from any time in the past, because the pictures are not only old, but
>>>>> also of different age.
>>>> 
>>>> It doesn't matter. The constellations are determined by what you see
>>>> when you go outside and look. No matter how old the light is.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ?????
>>> 
>>> If you are not an astrologist, you wouldn't care that much about
>>> constellations.
>>> 
>>> Everybody knows, that e.g. 'The Great Bear' is not really a bear but a
>>> picture in the night sky, which is made from stars of different depth
>>> in space.
>> 
>> 
>> Exactly. Most constellations are just random patterns caused by the
>> happenstance relative positions of stars in space and time.
>> 
>> I don't know why you and Carl make a big deal over that.
> 
> 
> I wanted to insist on the character of the pictures in the night sky as 
> 'not real'.
> 
> The pictures we see do not reflect reality, because the pictures stem 
> from stars, which partically do not exist anymore and which all are now 
> at different positions then where we see them.
> 
> So: the night sky shows pictures from the past, which are also layered in time.
> 
> This is important to know, because some cosmological concepts

such as?

>  would require to know the positions of stars at the same time but at 
> different depth in space.
> 
> But we do not have these posistion, because we cannot wait millions of 
> years for the pictures from further away.
> 
> This is a serious problem for cosmologists,

Have you talked to any cosmologists about this? Do they agree that it 
is a serious problem?

>  which cannot be solved by taking the apparent positions, which we see 
> today here on Earth.
> 
> We can't, because interactions between celestial objects would most 
> likely depend on temporal coexistence of these objects.
> 
> 
> TH


-- 
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36+ years; mainly 
in England until 1987.

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                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-02-05 12:06 -0800
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-02-05 22:06 -0800
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-23 16:55 -0600
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-23 16:52 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <carleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-23 17:36 -0800
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-23 18:39 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-23 23:10 +0100
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 09:57 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-17 10:28 -0800
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-17 16:20 -0500
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-18 00:10 -0800
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-18 16:57 -0500
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-19 11:57 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-16 23:25 +0100
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-16 15:40 -0800
                Re: climate change Edurardo De felice <eduu@eiudece.co> - 2023-01-17 13:49 +0000
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-11 10:36 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 02:09 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-11 10:36 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 02:06 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-11 11:29 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-11 13:00 -0500
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 10:44 -0800
                Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-11 11:17 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-11 10:51 -0800
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-11 14:36 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-12 08:09 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-12 03:55 -0500
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-13 08:11 +0100
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-13 13:12 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 04:41 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-13 16:11 +0100
                Re: climate change Maciej Wozniak <maluwozniak@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 08:54 -0800
                Re: climate change nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2023-01-13 21:52 +0100
                Re: climate change Volney <volney@invalid.invalid> - 2023-01-13 11:21 -0500
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-14 09:54 +0100
                Re: climate change Athel Cornish-Bowden <acornish@imm.cnrs.fr> - 2023-01-14 10:07 +0100
                Re: climate change Paul Alsing <pnalsing@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 12:03 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 12:24 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-14 12:26 -0800
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-15 08:11 +0100
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-10 07:18 +0100
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-02 08:06 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-02 10:22 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-03 07:27 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-02 10:43 -0600
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 14:54 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 14:57 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 15:03 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 15:10 -0800
                Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-02 17:29 -0800
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 16:20 -0800
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 20:24 -0600
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-01 19:27 -0600
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 18:02 -0800
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-01 18:20 -0800
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 20:48 -0600
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 21:29 -0600
                Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-02 08:28 +0100
                Re: climate change Tom Roberts <tjoberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2023-01-01 20:29 -0600
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-01 19:26 -0600
                Re: climate change whodat <whodaat@void.nowgre.com> - 2023-01-01 06:16 -0600
          Re: climate change "kellehe...@gmail.com" <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> - 2022-12-23 01:59 -0800
          Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-28 08:10 +0100
            Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 11:34 -0800
              Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2022-12-29 08:45 +0100
            Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 11:47 -0800
              Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 12:18 -0800
            Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2022-12-28 12:34 -0800
              Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 13:06 -0800
                Re: climate change thor stoneman <consequently7990662@gmail.com> - 2022-12-28 15:29 -0800
            Re: climate change Santos Anselmetti <ttln@niitstsm.sa> - 2022-12-28 23:33 +0000
  Re: climate change Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2023-01-05 20:08 +1100
    Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-05 16:17 -0800
      Re: climate change Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2023-01-06 08:11 +0100
        Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 11:29 -0800
        Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-06 11:30 -0800
          Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-06 13:21 -0800
            Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 14:20 -0800
        Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 14:09 -0800
          Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-06 14:29 -0800
  Re: climate change George Hammond <ghammond928@gmail.com> - 2023-01-12 23:45 -0800
    Re: climate change Otto Fiscella <tfit@tiselelc.it> - 2023-01-13 16:06 +0000
      Re: climate change The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2023-01-13 12:03 -0800
        Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 12:08 -0800
        Re: climate change Otto Fiscella <tfit@tiselelc.it> - 2023-01-13 21:10 +0000
          Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 16:12 -0800
          Re: climate change carl eto <ccarleto4157990662@gmail.com> - 2023-01-13 16:12 -0800

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